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Old 08-25-2004, 09:26 AM
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Default Bush - New cheerleader for Iraq's soccer team

It looks at though the Bush machine, headed by Karl Rove is trying to drum up some November support via the Iraqi soccer team. The president capitalized on news last week that the Iraqi soccer team had come into the olympics as a suprise team, winning group D and continuing on to play against Australia on Sunday. But it seems that not all Iraqis are happy that Bush is using their team as a catalyst for re-election.

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Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

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Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."

Many Iraqis, including players on the Iraqi olympic team feel that this is occupation not democracy and they are truly wondering when the 25 million Iraqi's will actually see freedom. It is true that a brutal dictator was taken out, but at what price, the Iraqi's see the reality on the streets, in their cities and the ruins that remain as the new infrastructure.

However one must be clear on what the Iraqi majority resists:

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"My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"


So it seems like taking credit where credit isn't due comes back to bite sometimes. But whatever the case may be, the Bush administration is going to try and jump on any positive press they can, and invent it if need be.



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Old 08-25-2004, 10:53 AM
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Maybe we should treat them like Uday would have. Since they didnt get the gold lets torture them. The U.S. spent billions and lost many soldiers so they could play their gay little game without torture, now they have the nerve to complain. Unbelievable.
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Maybe we should treat them like Uday would have. Since they didnt get the gold lets torture them. The U.S. spent billions and lost many soldiers so they could play their gay little game without torture, now they have the nerve to complain. Unbelievable.
No kidding...I think Bush should beable to use the positive aspects of this war to forward his campaign for re-election...why shouldn't he? he can get blasted for the negative but can't be thanksed and use it at all as a mold that sets him up for praise? This is ridiculous...This is just yet another negative article focused on ripping on the President...It's like Saddam being out of powere doesn't mean much to them...well I say give him back to them and see what happens...let's see all those deaths happen all over again and again and let's see the gold medal possibility beinging taken for granted right now get whipped right away from them...don't thank Bush.,.nah just blame him for the bad and refuse to praise him for any good....typical!
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Maybe we should treat them like Uday would have. Since they didnt get the gold lets torture them. The U.S. spent billions and lost many soldiers so they could play their gay little game without torture, now they have the nerve to complain. Unbelievable.
No kidding...I think Bush should beable to use the positive aspects of this war to forward his campaign for re-election...why shouldn't he? he can get blasted for the negative but can't be thanksed and use it at all as a mold that sets him up for praise? This is ridiculous...This is just yet another negative article focused on ripping on the President...It's like Saddam being out of powere doesn't mean much to them...well I say give him back to them and see what happens...let's see all those deaths happen all over again and again and let's see the gold medal possibility beinging taken for granted right now get whipped right away from them...don't thank Bush.,.nah just blame him for the bad and refuse to praise him for any good....typical!
But what if the Iraqi people never wanted the war to begin with? What if they too are upset at the 11 000+ loved ones they have lost in this war? What if, as one of the soccer players alluded to, they want to defend their own home? Are they still considered ungrateful then?

The primary objective of this war was not to Free the Iraqi people, but to find WMD. Freeing the Iraqi people was an afterthought when the weapons couldn't be found. Plus, for the life of me, I can't see how you can liberate people by killing them
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secretly air lifted these clowns to the Olympics. I saw part of the team on TV before the Olympics and they were SOOO happy that Saddam and his EVIL offspring were not in charge any more. How they whined about torture and all sorts of horrible things done to them weather they won or lost. If ol' uday didn't think they pulled there weight they were beaten or much worse. Now the USA gives these clowns the freedom from torture and the freedom of speech and what do these ingrates do with it? Yep, throw us under a gas truck. typical
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But what if the Iraqi people never wanted the war to begin with? What if they too are upset at the 11 000+ loved ones they have lost in this war?
Were they upset at the hundreds of thousands that Saddam killed before the war?

They can be equal to France and Germany and everyone else. We dont care what those nations think either.

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The primary objective of this war was not to Free the Iraqi people, but to find WMD. Freeing the Iraqi people was an afterthought when the weapons couldn't be found.
Thats a bit of an exaggeration.

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Plus, for the life of me, I can't see how you can liberate people by killing them
Please post your proof that we were deliberately targeting civilians.

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secretly air lifted these clowns to the Olympics. I saw part of the team on TV before the Olympics and they were SOOO happy that Saddam and his EVIL offspring were not in charge any more. How they whined about torture and all sorts of horrible things done to them weather they won or lost. If ol' uday didn't think they pulled there weight they were beaten or much worse. Now the USA gives these clowns the freedom from torture and the freedom of speech and what do these ingrates do with it? Yep, throw us under a gas truck. typical
By now we are used to it. it doesnt even phase me anymore. I expect it.
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secretly air lifted these clowns to the Olympics. I saw part of the team on TV before the Olympics and they were SOOO happy that Saddam and his EVIL offspring were not in charge any more. How they whined about torture and all sorts of horrible things done to them weather they won or lost. If ol' uday didn't think they pulled there weight they were beaten or much worse. Now the USA gives these clowns the freedom from torture and the freedom of speech and what do these ingrates do with it? Yep, throw us under a gas truck. typical
Actually - no we didn't - The Australian air force airlifted them

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who says we killed 11,000 inocent people? Who made this figure up? Does anyone have proof of this? NO THEY DON"T!! they are killing there own people everyday and don't seem to care. But everyone blames us for it. If this were the case there would be WHOLE towns leveled. This is not the case. You would see tons of refugees walking down the roads. Again NOT THE CASE. They all stay in there homes. And why is this? Because we are not targeting the civilians. GET A CLUE PEOPLE
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who says we killed 11,000 inocent people? Who made this figure up? Does anyone have proof of this? NO THEY DON"T!! they are killing there own people everyday and don't seem to care. But everyone blames us for it. If this were the case there would be WHOLE towns leveled. This is not the case. You would see tons of refugees walking down the roads. Again NOT THE CASE. They all stay in there homes. And why is this? Because we are not targeting the civilians. GET A CLUE PEOPLE
Feel free to check out the foreign media for more accurate numbers...(the U.S. media won't touch them with a ten-foot barge pole)

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But what if the Iraqi people never wanted the war to begin with? What if they too are upset at the 11 000+ loved ones they have lost in this war?
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Were they upset at the hundreds of thousands that Saddam killed before the war?
I don't know - has ANYONE asked them their opinions on this war before Bombing Bagdhad?

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They can be equal to France and Germany and everyone else. We dont care what those nations think either.

Thank you for the Great example of Bush's US foreign policy


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The primary objective of this war was not to Free the Iraqi people, but to find WMD. Freeing the Iraqi people was an afterthought when the weapons couldn't be found.
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Thats a bit of an exaggeration. -
Oh Really?

WMD Quotes Before & After The Invasion

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002


The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003


But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
George W. Bush Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on.
George W. Bush Press Briefing
5/30/2003

"We are going to assemble that evidence and present it properly to people… a complete picture." (Of a new intelligence dossier with fresh evidence about Iraq's illegal arsenal)
Prime Minister Blair - London Daily Telegraph - June 2, 2003

"We've made sure Iraq is not going to be used as an arsenal for terrorist groups. We're going to look. We'll reveal the truth. But one thing is certain: no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime is no more
."
President Bush - New York Times - June 5, 2003

"We didn't just make them up one night. Those were eyewitness accounts of people who had worked in the program and knew it was going on, multiple accounts. 'Oh, it was a hydrogen-making thing for balloons. ' No, There's no question in my mind what it was designed for."
Secretary Powell - Time - June 9, 2003

"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz - Vanity Fair - July 2003

"Iraq had a weapons program. Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out that they did have a weapons program."
(From a Cabinet meeting on June 9)
President Bush - Washington Post - June 10, 2003

"The president, in saying programs, also applies that to weapons. The president had repeatedly said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that includes everything knowable up to the opening shots of the war. We still have confidence in that information. You could say Iraq continues to have weapons of mass destruction. We have confidence we're going to find them. They're still there."
Press Secretary Fleischer - Washington Post - June 10, 2003

"We did not know at the time – maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency – but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course it was information that was mistaken."
(From Sunday interview)
National Security - Advisor Rice - Los Angeles Times

“I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons… I don't know anybody in any government or any intelligence agency who suggested that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons. That's fact number one.”
Donald Rumsfeld June 2003


“The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his ‘nuclear mujahideen’.... his nuclear holy warriors… Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof.... the smoking gun.... that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”
George W. Bush October 2002


"This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq. Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them" - George W. Bush

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Plus, for the life of me, I can't see how you can liberate people by killing them
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Please post your proof that we were deliberately targeting civilians.
Would video evidence suffice?
CAREFUL - GRAPHIC IMAGES

http://www.bushflash.com/year.html

I have plenty more if that doesn't do it for you

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secretly air lifted these clowns to the Olympics. I saw part of the team on TV before the Olympics and they were SOOO happy that Saddam and his EVIL offspring were not in charge any more. How they whined about torture and all sorts of horrible things done to them weather they won or lost. If ol' uday didn't think they pulled there weight they were beaten or much worse. Now the USA gives these clowns the freedom from torture and the freedom of speech and what do these ingrates do with it? Yep, throw us under a gas truck. typical
Again, it was the Australian Air Force that airlifted the Iraqi Soccer team out of Bagdhad

By now we are used to it. it doesnt even phase me anymore. I expect it.
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