Representative Dennis Kucinich (who I luv) campaigns for McCain. - Page 2

DanteAugustusGermanicus · #11 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

Yet Clinton was in fact impeached for lying under oath and other reasons.

He also lost his law license.

He's the second Impeached President in US history.

Clinton had a political war waged against him. It never held up. The law license thing had to do with something else. Clinton did not lose his license. He had it suspended in one state, for a mere 5 years.

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President of the United States Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999.

you may want to try thinking about how meaningless the impeachment was. he was acquitted. Impeachment in the House was only a charge.

DuH2 · #12 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 07:50 PM

Impeachment is the first of a two stage process.

Bill Clinton like Andrew Johnson was Impeached.

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Two presidents:
Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868 after violating the then-newly created Tenure of Office Act. President Johnson was acquitted of all charges by a single vote in the Senate.

Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote). No other articles of impeachment on a count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote), and one accusing President Clinton of abuse of power (by a 48–285 vote). President Clinton was acquitted of the obstruction charge by a 50 to 50 vote in the Senate.

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Impeachment and trial in the Senate
Main article: Impeachment of Bill Clinton
The House held no serious impeachment hearings before the mid-term elections. Though the mid-term elections held in November 1998 were at the 6-year point in an 8-year presidency (a time in the electoral cycle where the party holding the White House usually loses Congressional seats) the Democratic Party gained several seats. To hold impeachment proceedings, the Republican leadership called a lame duck session in December 1998.

The impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in 1999, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist presiding.While the House Judiciary Committee hearings were perfunctory and ended in a straight party line vote, there was lively debate on the House floor. The two charges passed in the House (largely on the basis of Republican support but with a handful of Democratic votes as well) were for perjury and obstruction of justice. The perjury charge arose from Clinton's testimony about his relationship to Monica Lewinsky during a sexual harassment lawsuit (later dismissed, appealed and settled for $850,000) brought by former Arkansas-state employee Paula Jones. The obstruction charge was based on his actions during the subsequent investigation of that testimony. The Senate later voted to acquit Clinton on both charges. The Senate refused to convene to hold an impeachment trial before the end of the old term, so the trial was held over until the next Congress. Clinton was represented by Washington law firm Williams & Connolly.

The Senate concluded a twenty one day trial on February 12, 1999, with the vote on both counts falling short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an office holder. The final vote was generally along party lines, with no Democrats voting guilty. Some Republicans voted not guilty for both charges. On the perjury charge, fifty five senators voted to acquit, including ten Republicans, and forty five voted to convict; on the obstruction charge the Senate voted 50-50

Anyway I responded to him because many people seem to think Clinton was not in fact impeached because he remained in office..Well he in fact WAS Impeached.

He was also Impeached for Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. NOT minor things.

Anyway back to "Moonbeam"....

DanteAugustusGermanicus · #13 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2

Impeachment is the first of a two stage process.

Bill Clinton like Andrew Johnson was Impeached.

Anyway I responded to him because many people seem to think Clinton was not in fact impeached because he remained in office..Well he in fact WAS Impeached.

He was also Impeached for Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. NOT minor things.

Anyway back to "Moonbeam"....

they were minor in the end because Clinton was acquitted. Being charged and found guilty would've been more than minor.

DuH2 · #14 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 08:53 PM

Minor or not in 50 years he will be the 2nd Impeached President in US history. Given where he resides in the Timeline it may be the most significant thing remembered about him in time. Not much else about him thats really memorable in historical long terms if you think about it.

shrug

JP5 · #15 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 09:47 PM

It's why the man is out there today making such an utter fool of himself-----TRYING to rewrite some of his legacy. It's really pretty pitiful and pathetic.

justabubba · #16 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

It's why the man is out there today making such an utter fool of himself-----TRYING to rewrite some of his legacy. It's really pretty pitiful and pathetic.

why JP, i have never seen you take a swipe at dubya like that. kool aid shortage in texas?

JP5 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

why JP, i have never seen you take a swipe at dubya like that. kool aid shortage in texas?

Uh.....try to keep up with the discussion, Bubba. My comment was about your namesake and you know it.

DuH2 · #18 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 10:16 PM

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It's why the man is out there today making such an utter fool of himself-----TRYING to rewrite some of his legacy. It's really pretty pitiful and pathetic.

IMO to a large degree yes.
Problem he has is the same the Bush haters have.

Neither will get to define how history is written. But we can all see hints of how it will be and it doesn't look good for either Bill Clinton or the Bush haters.

Bill will likely be defined by part he'd rather have eveyrone forget and the Bush haters will vanish.

In example...We don't read much about Hoover other then in terms of the Great Depression and we don't even know about the Cleveland Haters.

If you want a real time example ..Nixon. Both are occuring with him.
What is being chosen to remember of him is not exactly what he wanted to be remembered for(watergate) and his haters are fading out of the discussion/history.

JP5 · #19 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

why JP, i have never seen you take a swipe at dubya like that. kool aid shortage in texas?

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Originally Posted by DuH2

IMO to a large degree yes.
Problem he has is the same the Bush haters have.

Neither will get to define how history is written. But we can all see hints of how it will be and it doesn't look good for either Bill Clinton or the Bush haters.

Bill will likely be defined by part he'd rather have eveyrone forget and the Bush haters will vanish.

In example...We don't read much about Hoover other then in terms of the Great Depression and we don't even know about the Cleveland Haters.

If you want a real time example ..Nixon. Both are occuring with him.
What is being chosen to remember of him is not exactly what he wanted to be remembered for(watergate) and his haters are fading out of the discussion/history.

Yeah, go figure the Dems. Recently, they've even been admiring Ronald Reagan----whom they used to hate.

Professor Peabody · #20 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 11:02 PM

The Keebler Elf is for McCain? OMG

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