There are some passages in the bible, that if interpreted incorrectly, wouldn't make my religion seem so pleasant.

I don't know much about the specifics of the religion, I do however, have a few friends of the religion and they have been nothing but nice to me. Of course, I haven't married anyone practicing their religion while holding onto my own, but that's not the point.

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Originally Posted by Inferno You just don't relate to my sense of humor. How about this. Gosh darn funny man living in a whale. doncha know that gawd could do that I betcha he could. wink wink.

Being one, I know there are a bunch of nasty ones out there.

That's how you know they are scheming, they're always up to something. lol Thinking about it, I have met plenty of christains I dislike, but not very many of any other religion.(of course I know a lot less people of other religions)

Maybe it's because I air towards the religious side, but I have met some rather judgemental aetheists...

Anyhow, I think the point to be taken is that everyone should be judged on their own merits, not on what set of beliefs they adhere to.

It sounds to me like it's redundant.
If the woman is marrying a non-Muslim, she's either leaving Islam or progressive enough a Muslim to have reason to fear fundies.
In any case, I doubt she believes in that rule and I doubt the guy she marries does... and so if they don't live in a backward tribal area or a state with Shariah Law... they're probably doing fine.
Based on the fact that this woman is obviously pretty progressive... she should probably move if she lives in such an area anyway. And her husband probably as well.

The point being... the only Muslims that care about this rule are the ones who would kill a Muslim for leaving Islam or kill a polytheist or whatever.
It doesn't apply to the majority of Muslims, who simply do not recognize or practice it.

You do realize that if those who don't practice it "removed" it... those who do would still practice it?!
Islam is a very decentralized religion. There isn't exactly a universally accepted canon for these hadiths.

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Perham, is "freedom" NOT being allowed to simply convert to one of the over 4000 other religions in the world today (because a 7th-century murderer said so)?

Our definitions of freedom must just be different, I guess.

People living in hyper-conservative tribal regions and in states that uphold the norms of such tribes... they're not free.
I don't think there's disagreement there.

The problem is that too broadly attacking Islam is threatening a lot of people who are free.
Some people choose to be Muslims. They choose not to practice the crazy hadith parts.

I don't know why you expect they are reponsible for forcing change on the backward.
Do you really believe fundies have more respect for what a "heretic" says than for what an outsider says?

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Ok, guys, I'm sick and tired tired of being the butt of jokes ("Fighting Against Freedom", etc.) so I'm going to hereby change my username to something that you evil terrorists cant't possibly make fun of:
Fighting Against Global International Terrorism.

THERE, TAKE THAT! Ha! Mess with me will you, that'll teach you! Ha!

And, besides, what you evil little...wait...uh...wait...hmmm...oooo...OOOOOh!. ..crap(!)...uh....I just thought of the word "acronym" for some reason....CRAP (*PANIC*), CRAP, WHERE IS THE DANGED DELETE BUTTON THIS THING (*gasping for air*), THE MUSLIMS MUST HAVE CONSPIRED TO REMOVE IT!!....

Ah, Java, my friend, but will your vaunted "moderate" Muslims have the courage to simply object, SIMPLY OBJECT, to that passage, and long-term help to possibly save many lives and provide more freedom to their Islamic brothers/sisters, hmmm?

We anxiously await the response from our "moderate" Islamic poster friends.

(Also, while they are at it, they might want to consider simply objecting to Quran 2:282, so that women won't be considered inferior in Muslim lands because god himself says a woman's testimony in court is only worth HALF of a man's testimony? Or are they too fanatical to simply do that - something that a 7 year old can see is obviously the right thing to do?)

It wouldn't save anyone.
The people who practice this are not reasonable. The people who don't cannot change their minds.
The moderate Muslims are as much outsiders to the fundies as we are.
Their best bet is to just make sure their own kids do not take up the beliefs of the fundies... similar to how most Christians would prefer to keep their own kids from joining a cult.

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do you have any idea how do I feel when you call my prophet a murderer? you're totally out of control and have no respect for my religion. how do you expect me to debate with you? now I understand why Sunni's not going to talk with you anymore.

GoodBye FS, FF or BS or whatever you are. enjoy your life of FEAR and HATE. I'm not gonna PARTICIPATE IN YOUR WORLD.

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