Russia: KIDS?!? - Page 2

PoliticallyIncorrect · #11 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 03:39 PM

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I keep thinking "why can't they see that this is only hurting their "cause"...but then i remember that i am thinking like a sane person and they obviously are not.

God is with these kids and their parents. I pray that everyone of them will come out okay and that when they grow up this horrible experience will help them find a way to stop this insanity.

I couldn't agree more!

I don't get it - I understand why the Chechens(sp?) are so upset with the Russian government - and they are justified for being so angry, but this is simply not right. They just lost all sympathy from the international community by retaliating in this gruesome manner. You simply do not hold children, and innocent people hostage like this. It's disgusting and heartbreaking all at once.

BTW - Has anyone heard what there demands are? I can't find it anywhere

Tricky-White-Devil · #12 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 04:08 PM

These are murderous "Zombies" sent to do the will of God.

In this case, they are demanding their criminal buddies be release from jail so......they can keep the fight going. They are not "Freedom Fighters" and if the Russians left Chechnya tomorrow they would still be dealing with Chechyn Terrorists.

Expect something really bad to happen, that's all I can say. The last time this situation occured Nerve Gas was used to subdue the captors and that killed about half the hostages. Kids would be more prone to death from Nerve Gas so, I can't quite say if this tactic is being considered or not.

JP5 · #13 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 05:32 PM

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Looks like terrorism is hitting Russia in a big way. Those poor kids.
Maybe they'll think again about supporting Pres. Bush's War on Terror.

The current terrorist acts in Russia has NOTHING to do with Bush, Iraq or the War on terror.

It has everything to do with the Russia-Chechnya conflict

I would do a background check before making such crass statements

Well, we're sure glad you cleared that up for us, PIC. Strange, but many of us thought that people who would strap bombs to themselves and take children and babies hostages....threatening to blow them up......WERE TERRORISTS. Funny us......

Rebellion · #14 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 06:14 PM

yeah that will garner a lot of sympathy. This will turn out like their last hostage crisis with the Chechyans when they held hostages in the theatre and were gassed.

SenaxFlatulus · #15 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect";p=&quot

They just lost all sympathy from the international community by retaliating in this gruesome manner. You simply do not hold children, and innocent people hostage like this. It's disgusting and heartbreaking all at once.

BTW - Has anyone heard what there demands are? I can't find it anywhere

They could care less about the sympathies of the international community. They want their "brothers" released from prison. If the Russians give in, then that will lead to future hostage situations. I doubt the Russians will give in. I think it's going to get messy.

You don't bargain with Islamic extremists.

SenaxFlatulus · #16 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 08:46 PM

Russia has certainly seen an upsurge in strange coincidences:
1. Car bombs in Moscow two days ago
2. Two simultaneous plane crashes last week
3. School children taken hostage yesterday

To pretend these are isolated is to continue to bury your head in the sand.

Niceguy · #17 (**permalink**) 09-01-2004, 10:07 PM

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Looks like terrorism is hitting Russia in a big way. Those poor kids.
Maybe they'll think again about supporting Pres. Bush's War on Terror.

The current terrorist acts in Russia has NOTHING to do with Bush, Iraq or the War on terror.

It has everything to do with the Russia-Chechnya conflict

I would do a background check before making such crass statements

Well, we're sure glad you cleared that up for us, PIC. Strange, but many of us thought that people who would strap bombs to themselves and take children and babies hostages....threatening to blow them up......WERE TERRORISTS. Funny us......

They are terrorists alright but the conflict is unrelated to Al-Quadia and their supporters. The Russia/Chechnya conflict is basically a war of independence that has gone bad. Some elements of the Chechnian guerrillas has has crossed the line and become terrorists and the same is true for some elements of the Russian military operating in Chechnya. The result is a lot of suffering on both side of the conflict. If they cannot put aside their differences and work for a peaceful solution then I hope that they would at least refrain from terrorism/state terrorism. Right now the conflict seems to polarized for that to happen.

catzmeow · #18 (**permalink**) 09-02-2004, 04:31 AM

committed by Islamic fundamentalists has nothing to do with anything. There is no link between these different groups of Islamic fundamentalists and nationalists, right?

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27 August 2004 - Islamic group claims responsibility for twin Russian plane crashes

A claim of responsibility for the downing of two Russian planes appeared on a Web site known for militant Muslim comment Friday.

The statement, which accused Russians of killing Muslims in Chechnya, was signed "the Islambouli Brigades." A group with a similar name has claimed at least one previous attack, but the legitimacy of the group and the authenticity of such statements could not be verified.

Russian officials have said terrorism was the most likely cause of Tuesday's plane crashes, which killed 89 people.

"We in the Islambouli Brigades announce that our holy warriors managed to hijack two Russian planes and were crowned with success though they faced problems at the beginning," the statement said without elaborating on the problems.

Friday's statement said five mujahedeen (Islamic fighters) were on board each plane and their wills will be published soon.

The statement did not explain how the hijackers boarded the planes, how they downed them or give any other details.

"Russia's slaughtering of Muslims is continuing and will only stop when a bloody war is launched," the statement said. "Our mujahedeen, with God's grace, succeeded in directing the first blow, which will be followed by a series of other operations in a wave of to extend support and victory to our Muslim brothers in Chechnya and other Muslim areas which suffer from Russian faithlessness."

A July 31 Web statement signed the "Islambouli Brigades of Al Qaeda" claimed responsibility for the attempt to assassinate Shaukat Aziz (search), Pakistan's prime minister-designate. Friday's claim did not refer to Al Qaeda, the international terror network led by Osama bin Laden.

Lt. Khaled Islambouli was the leader of the group of soldiers who assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a military parade in Cairo in 1981.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

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25 August 2004 - HQ INTEL ALERT ADVISORY: Russian hijackings may have been assassination attempt on Putin; possibly the assassination Al Qaeda was predicting

The twin airline disaster yesterday in Russia may have marked what was to be the beginning of a wave of terror intended to rival or surpass the September 11 attacks on the US, according to analysts who have reviewed both Arabic and Russian language websites, and reviewed peer-to-peer communications in internet chatrooms frequented by persons claiming affiliation and sympathies with Al Qaeda.

Based on the information gleamed from these sources, it appears that at least one of the doomed planes yesterday was intended to be used in an assassination attempt on Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was vacationing on the Black Sea. The two mid-range planes also had the range to reach much of Europe.

Although reports are still sketchy, persons posting on a Russian language board claim that at least one of the planes was shot down by Russian military fighters. It is impossible to verify whether this claim is true or not; the Russian government has not indicated that any passenger flights were shot down.

It has been widely reported over recent weeks that the next wave of Al Qaeda attacks will be set off by the assassination of a prominent political leader. It is possible that these hijackings yesterday were a component of this reported plan. Although the attacks did not succeed in assassinating Putin, all passengers and crew aboard both planes were killed, making this a significant terror attack.

A similar incident happened earlier this year on January 3, when a Flash Airlines charter flight out of Cairo crashed without warning into the Red Sea, near the location where British Prime Minister Tony Blair was vacationing with his family. Although Egyptian officials ruled out terrorism, there was a considerable amount of speculation that the flight might have been involved in an assassination bid on Blair's life. Blair had suddenly left the resort shortly before the crash.

If these attacks were in fact an assassination attempt on Putin, then it is possible that the subsequent attacks which were to be triggered by the assassination may still proceed.

Based on this information, the HQ INTEL ALERT is issuing this special alert, which indicates what we believe to be an increased risk of attacks against the US and her allies, both within the respective countries and against their interests overseas. Special caution is urged in the transportation sector, including airline, rail, and bus. In addition, there is an increased risk of terror attempts through vehicle born explosive devices, similar to those which were used in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993, and against the Oklahoma City Murrah Building.

Special Note: Copyright 2004 HQ INTEL ALERT. All Right Reserved. This special advisory may be disseminated publicly as long as it is properly attributed.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

Sleepy · #19 (**permalink**) 09-02-2004, 05:06 AM

I didn't realize that there was a criteria to meet before violent acts could
be classified as terrorist act. Whether it is Chetnya, Iraq, Al-Quaida etc.,
these are terrorist acts, and all free countries should stand together to let
these terrorist know, we will not take it anymore and fight back. Get it?
War on Terror?

catzmeow · #20 (**permalink**) 09-02-2004, 05:28 AM

as 700 to 1,000 hostages. The Russian government is suspected of downplaying the number, for some reason. They originally stated 150+ terrorists, but have now revised the number to between 480 and 640. However, parents and family members of the hostages suspect there are more. The school holds around 800 children on an average day. Only about 50 escaped early in the hostage takeover. There also were as many as a hundred teachers and parents IN THE BUILDING when the terrorists took over.

I'd like to post a link...but I heard this on NPR this morning and haven't had time to search for it.

Catz

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