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Looks like terrorism is hitting Russia in a big way. Those poor kids.
Maybe they'll think again about supporting Pres. Bush's War on Terror.
The current terrorist acts in Russia has NOTHING to do with Bush, Iraq or the War on terror.

It has everything to do with the Russia-Chechnya conflict

I would do a background check before making such crass statements
Well, we're sure glad you cleared that up for us, PIC. Strange, but many of us thought that people who would strap bombs to themselves and take children and babies hostages....threatening to blow them up......WERE TERRORISTS. Funny us......
They are terrorists alright but the conflict is unrelated to Al-Quadia and their supporters. The Russia/Chechnya conflict is basically a war of independence that has gone bad. Some elements of the Chechnian guerrillas has has crossed the line and become terrorists and the same is true for some elements of the Russian military operating in Chechnya. The result is a lot of suffering on both side of the conflict. If they cannot put aside their differences and work for a peaceful solution then I hope that they would at least refrain from terrorism/state terrorism. Right now the conflict seems to polarized for that to happen.

Something doesn't have to be "related to al Qaeda" to be terrorism. What they have in common is they are Muslim extremists who think nothing of terrorizing women and children to get what they want. Same as the Muslim extremists who have kidnapped the 2 French newsmen inside Iraq to try and blackmail France into getting rid of their policy of religious garb in public schools....and on and on. The group doesn't matter. Bottom line is.....IF Muslim extremists want to get their way, they are willing to terrorize and strap bombs to themselves to get it.
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Old 09-02-2004, 06:06 AM
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Default Further, their goals are in line with those of Al Qaeda...

They want Chechnya to be a separate MUSLIM country which can fall in line with the recovery of formerly Islamic territories dating from the Caliphate. Al Qaeda's primary goal is the re-establishment of that Caliphate.

So, their goals are linked and in sync.

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(crud. You're going to ask for a link, and I just don't have time right now.)

There is a HUGE connection between Al Qeder and the Chechen terrarists.

Many Chechens train in Afghanistan, many Arab (or other) qeda members are in the North Caucasus region. This is well established. It is also irrelevant. These pigs better not hurt any (more?) kids. They did release 30-some babies.

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Default The chechen capitve takers are also muslim.

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10698483

One of Russia's islamic leaders is urging them to release the hostages for religious reasons.

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Default is,amist is not islamic culture per-say

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Looks like terrorism is hitting Russia in a big way. Those poor kids.
Maybe they'll think again about supporting Pres. Bush's War on Terror.
The current terrorist acts in Russia has NOTHING to do with Bush, Iraq or the War on terror.

It has everything to do with the Russia-Chechnya conflict

I would do a background check before making such crass statements
Its not muslims or islam its islamists and those that are silent about it.

Its about far morte than chchnya .they are being trained aided and even have fighters from terorist groups and states. its about the islamist fascist atempt to ridd the world of the infidel. they have stated so many times.
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Old 09-02-2004, 08:42 AM
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Default Once again for those with dunce caps on

Remember this any time you read or hear the claim that Muslim anger at the United States is the result of America taking Israel’s side in their “occupation” of Palestinian land or that israel should just give back all the "terrotories" and it would be more peacefull.

The Salafi Society of North America would like to set the record straight. And they should know. “Salafi” is another word for “Wahhabi.”

It’s not about land for Palestinians or fare treatment, american imperialism , or any of that crap we keep hearing. It’s about the global jihad: Our Struggle against the Jews is a Struggle for Existence, not a Struggle for Land.
http://www.al-manhaj.com/Page1.cfm?ArticleID=146
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Why is it that the head in the sand bunch still buy the idea that The Islamists are not aggressors, but defenders; they seek to kill us, not because of what we are, but because of what we do, namely our imperial acts of interference in the Islamic world. They make claims that if we pulled back from all involvement in the Mideast and especially israel, withdrew our forces from Iraq (and, some even say Afghanistan as well), then Osama bin Laden, the chechnyans and most all terrorist groups would stop hating us and all would be well again. Never mind the well-known fact that bin Laden and most islamistswant to creation a global Caliphate and are goingto have to wage jihad on us, in one form or another, no matter what we do or do not do. These complacent assumptions have beenshown once again as filly of foolsl by the kidnapping of two French journalists, Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot, by the same Islamist group[in this case in iraq} who earlier had kidnapped and murdered Italian journalist Enzo Baldoni. Their demand for their release (or for not murrdering) , the kidnappers demand that France revoke its law banning the wearing of the Muslim head scarf in

French schools. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/in.../30france.html

The Islamists have kidnapped and will murder two French citizens, not for French interference in the Realm of Islam, but for the existence of French culture in France.

LISTEN UP. THEY ARE TARGETING FRANCE FOR WHAT IT DOSE.....NOT WHAT IT IS.They called the french law against head scarfs an attack on islam. So simply by maintaining its own french customs and seculaer state law it is now under attack by those tha supposidly only attack because they were done some grave wrong by the west.In this case, upholding french tradition and law.This Islamist view should not suprisse anyone, given that the islamists see all non-Islamic countries as part of the dar al-harb, the Realm of War, which means that all in that realm, in their mere existence as non-Muslims islamists, are waging war against Islam.

The principle announced yet again by this kidnapping{as well as other clear statements by these islamists} is that any citizen of any country refusing to surrender its culture ,rights freedom and institutions to the demands of Shari'ah is an open lagitamate target. The fatwa against all Americans and Jews has in reality always include all non-islamists, everywhere.



Any refusal by the host society and country to which these islamist have fled to yield to these demands is seen by islamists as an "attack on Islam," a conviction which given the existence of the global jihadist movement, leads to terrorism, kidnappings, murders, and the spread of the murdur of innocent people{in most cases children} for being citizens of an "anti-Islamic" country. There is no way anyone with unbiased good sense can calim the idea that jihad is only a defensive reaction against Western
interference in the Islamic world. It is more proof that it is a war to force the west to yeild to islam. they scream about crusadews when it is in reality the muslim islamist atemp at yet another conquest by the sword.

By the way. Another example of their goal.

Extremely grafic and not safe for work or the squeemish.
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Default just what imperialism afront to islam did they do

Peace-loving islamists in Iraq slaughter a dozen Nepalese. Graphic detail, and all the blood n' guts lacking in their earlier video releases. I do wonder if they're consulting with M. Moore, on how to better capture their peace-loving moments on video? Examples of the islamist notion of 'peace', and 'love'.
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Default Islamics, Islamists

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Its not muslims or islam its islamists and those that are silent about it.
First, the Islamists are perfectly happy to slaughter their Islamic brethren for failing to subscribe to archaic and arbitrary religious codes of conduct. Second, Islamic scripture suggests that the jihad for the caliphate is a religious obligation, so there are some conquestorial tendencies in the heart of the religion itself. Thirdly, I don't hold all Islamics responsible for the actions of the Islamists. But, when the Islamic world remains silent over these atrocities, it lends credence to the idea that they tacitly support them (even if they're not, themselves, engaging in these acts).

Sort of like PETA's relationship to ALF. PETA's not committing acts of animal-rights terrorism (ALF is), but PETA supports ALF, applauds their behavior, celebrates criminal direct actions, and provides money for legal defense funds for ALF criminals.

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Default For example...

Celebrating in the streets when more than a dozen Jews are killed hardly shows that you're opposed to the goals of the Islamists.

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Default Let's hope this trend continues

They have freed 26 hostages...

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