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They have no-one to blame for their crispy demise other than their own evil empirical government.
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If it means we (or any country) could have never invented the Nuclear Bomb, then yes I would turn back time.
I sure hope your Mom doesn't change her mind and abort you......I mean, you never know with second chances how things might turn out.....

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Okay LADIES. If you want to see my explanation of the Nuking of Japan here she is!

Random points - for whenever they are brought up tommorow

In the last months of World War II (1939-1945), Allied forces urged Japan to surrender unconditionally or face “prompt and utter destruction.” Japan refused. On August 6, 1945, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan, and three days later a second atomic bomb on Nagasaki,

I think that maybe the dropping of the atomic bombs weren’t necessary. But soon as we went on with the project I started to agree that it was necessary, because the United States gave many warnings about the use of the atomic bomb. Also Japan didn’t surrender after the first bomb, so maybe it was necessary to drop another bomb on Nagasaki too.

At first I was certain that it was the right thing to do when the allies dropped the atomic bomb at Hiroshima. But then again, it could have been prevented by giving Japan a better agreement or by threatening Japan more. In a way, it was Japan’s own decision when they decided to refuse to the Potsdam Proclamation. The allies were in my opinion wise because they didn’t risk the lives of their own soldiers. It was a cruel and maybe a cowardly way to beat Japan in my opinion although I would have supported the allies.

If someone in my neighborhood committed a crime, he'd be seen as an INDIVIDUAL before the court of law, and I'd be a separate INDIVIDUAL.

When nations go to war, each nation is collectively an INDIVIDUAL before international conventions.

As far as the polulation is concerned, the Js seem pretty happy about it when their boys were killing and raping their way across Asia...There's plenty of war time footage showing the Js celebrating in the streets when their boys were head-chopping their way through Asians, Americans, Brits, Aussies, etc... They seem to like the war well enough when things were going their way...When a nation declares war, the fate of the people of that nation now rides with their fortune in war. Regardless how they were lied to, only idiots would believe that no one dies in war. So, by celebrating en-mass their troops victories, they are essentially celebration the killing of other people (regardless how they were killed) by default. It's justifiable if Js were fighting a war of self-defense against invaders, but not during a war of aggression. Not to mention most able bodied Js, if not all, worked on the homefront on war-related industries. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both industrial cities relatively untouched by the war, their industrial capacity made them legitimate military targets.

EDIT - That was my response to a leftist and pacifist video showed in my Gr 10 History class about how we should feel guilty for nuking Japan. Now I am off to bed! G'Night!
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They have no-one to blame for their crispy demise other than their own evil empirical government.
So the Government was to blame, therefore the people who died were innocent victims of their Government.
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The ones who were killed were all innocent, they didn't deserve to be killed.
(*)(*)(*)(*) happens. It's war. That's like saying the people of Dresden didn't deserve what they got in 1944...
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(*)(*)(*)(*) happens. It's war. That's like saying the people of Dresden didn't deserve what they got in 1944...
(*)(*)(*)(*) like that shouldn't happen. Innocent people died. That's not something you should be saying '(*)(*)(*)(*) happens' about.
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So the Government was to blame, therefore the people who died were innocent victims of their Government.
The deaths of those 80,000 japanese lie at the hands of the Japanese Emperor for refusing to sign that treaty. His bad.

The US Gvnt should be proud of themselves at saving the Chinese and coalition forces lives.
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They were vehement supporters of their empirical government. Nothing innocent about that.
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Whew, that's not so bad then.

Testing is not so bad...but was there an intent to use it back then?
Definitely. Russia was trying to develop it too. We wanted the most powerful weapon and were willing to use it if we had to.
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Innocent? Those Japs were innocent? The same Japs that were parading in the streets with victory signs after their troops raped and killed 6000 girls in 2weeks? Or how about the murder of 30million Chinese?
Why the hell are you calling them Japs? This isn't 1942. We're in a different time and place. Have some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing respect. Jesus.
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