They tried; it was blocked by Democrats. The Republicans didn't have a 60 vote Majority that would have prevented a block.

Oh, I definitely think it's meant to highlight the issue by making fun of the Democrats. This election year, Republicans can hardly get any news/media coverage. They could run down the street naked and it wouldn't get covered. <G> I'm sure it's to try to get some coverage and highlight the issue. I say "more power to 'em."

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

I say drill through a polar bear's head, if you have to, to get to that oil in ANWAR.

They'll migrate. The oil won't. It's not like Alaska is freakin' Massachusetts, where they have nowhere to go.

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Now come on. Cutting out most of what he actually said and using just a phrase to make it look as if he was making a definitive statement is a bit disingenuous, isn't it?

Yes, you did. If I say...."Raytri says "there's no oil there"---that a definitive statement of what you believe and stated. If I say....Raytri says "it's my understanding that there is no oil there, but I'll go look and let you know if I find anything"----you TRULY don't see the difference there??????? Really, Raytri....


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Here's what he said:

"We're going to look at this barren, Arctic desert where I'm hoping to see some wildlife," Boehner said. "But I understand there's none there. But I'm still going to look for it. If I find any, I'll let you know."

You did exactly what the liberal mainstream press does each and every day to change the meaning of what was said.


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So, clearly he's talking about the barren Artic desert part which is under discussion for drilling in. A very tiny part of the entire thing.

Well, I'm quite sure Boehner will bring back pictures of the exact place where they want to drill.


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So.....you honestly think these Caribou live in this desert area?

Well, you need to stop being beholden to your party's left-wing nuts who are so unreasonable they are willing to let the country go down the tubes. Once again----they are drilling under my home right now as we speak. Nobody's pets are dying; nobody's houses are being destroyed; nobody's air quality has deteriorated; and nobody's view is hampered in any way. So, I can tell you FIRST HAND about slant and horizontal drilling. BTW, we also have lots of snakes, squirrells, birds, coyotes, bobcats, foxes, rabbits, roadrunners, falcons, etc. In fact, we have falcons that migrate to our neighborhood every spring.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

No, I know the difference between "proven reserves" and "extractable oil." I also know about probability.

For instance, geologists are 95% certain there are 15 billion barrels of oil under ANWR. But much of it simply isn't extractable with today's technology, or isn't worth extracting at today's prices. Hence the estimates of extractable oil range as low as 5 billion barrels.

By comparison, Saudi Arabia has 260 billion barrels of proven reserves, most of it extractable.

ANWR simply won't change the global or national energy equation in any meaningful way.

I didn't say oil companies wouldn't make gobs of money; I said there wasn't enough oil there to make a meaningful difference in global supply or national energy dependence.

No, I don't.

The new technology is cleaner and less intrusive. Fewer piles of tailing, fewer and smaller wellpads, etc.

But it's not pristine. And you still need the infrastructure around it: roads, maintenance buildings, pumping stations, pipelines, etc. Building, using and maintaining of which all impose an environmental cost. One problem related to the roads, for instance, is massive amounts of dust.

There will still be spills, accidents, etc. Prudhoe Bay has hundreds of spills a year -- some big, some small.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081101853.html

In your neighborhood, the infrastructure already exists and there are facilities to handle spills. So all you care about is noise and smell. Not to mention that your climate is far more forgiving than the tundra.

Ethanol is nothing more than a marginal stopgap solution, too.

High fuel prices make alternatives more competitive, and encourage more investment in them. It'll work out.

That's an old one. Even many old line environmentalists have dropped their opposition to nukes. Nuclear plants should be the first and biggest response to our oil dependency.

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Here's the small part they want to horizontal drill on....in the summer when it's at it's "prettiest." Doesn't look like the beautiful pictures the libs usually show us, does it???

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

this is anthropocentrism, and it's wrong.

the problem is the American lifestyle; we've become addicted to and largely slaves of an entire culture and system based on the consumption of oil. three months out of every year, hordes of perspective tourists swarm over the American landscape safely suffocating behind their metal and glass machines. the other nine months are spent buried in paperwork in some cubicle farm or in an uncomfortable chair with the glow of LCD monitors staining their faces. this has caused a total disconnect with the natural world, other humans, and, ultimately, reality.

to drill in said area, invasive or not, may drop oil prices to a comfortable level in the eyes of the consuming masses for a select few months or even years--but to consider that a justified end is to ignore the irreparable damage that is caused by the industrial machine that is slowly choking and smothering the nature of humanity. consumption oil will return to dangerous levels; the average driver will sigh with relief, take his Valium, and drive around the block for fun, his tail-pipe belching his own demise.

i'm not talking about global warming--just a way for "green" industry to swap sweltering wool business suits for the sanitized white-on-white of solar-plant clean room habiliment--or even the serious pollution problems of the world's largest cities. simply put, humans have eschewed the world around them for a technological conglomeration of hebetudinous progress for the sake of progress; the ideology of the cancer cell.

as oil prices rise to levels that reflect reality, we will be forced to confront several issues that have been meticulously avoided for years: first, scientists will focusing on making bombs that can cover an entire field of starving crops with fire and create intelligent solutions to keep those crops from starving in the first place; and second, we will be compelled to revise our lifestyles, especially in America, to reflect the nature of finite energy sources. does this mean that we might not be able to afford 3-ton mega-trucks that can pull four boats or 1675" plasma TVs? yes. but do we need any of that? no. what we need are real relationships with fellow humans; real, unprocessed foods for our obesity threatened children; and the ability to enter the holiest places on our planet--the cliffrose-lined canyons, the teeming rivers, the lonely mountains--without harassment or the artificial support of mechanical anathema.

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Oh, I see. So now your benchmark is "is it scenic?"

I don't recall that being one of the criteria for a wildlife refuge, either as a designation or as a measure of its biological value.

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Click on the thumbnail to enlarge. Take a look at the tiny, tiny red dot on the map. This is the entire area (the red dot) of where they want to drill.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Well, why do you think the environmentalist NEVER show this picture? Why is it that they always show ONLY the pristine, mountains and green, lush pictures? Why is it we have to research to see the actual pictures of the actual areas? Pretty disingenuous of the far left, don't ya think?

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Now add in the roads, pipelines and other infrastructure that needs to be built in order to reach that area and get supplies in and the oil out.

Also, compare that map to these:

Surrounded by polar bear den sites:
http://arctic.fws.gov/pbdenning.htm

Right where the ranges of the two main caribou herds overlap:
http://arctic.fws.gov/images/cariboumap1.jpg

An area that is wall-to-wall caribou in the summer:
http://arctic.fws.gov/images/cariboumap2.jpg

And in the middle of the calving grounds:
http://arctic.fws.gov/images/cariboumap4.jpg

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