Silly semantics for jealous partisan reasons. I claim that we have made "progress" because the "surge worked".

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But Halliburton has a boat payment due. We can't leave now.

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"Conservatives" believe it is okay to kill innocent men, women and children, but not a zygote.

Again... has the "surge" achieved the aims Bush set out for it when he said...

"Our troops will have a well-defined mission: to help Iraqis clear and secure neighborhoods, to help them protect the local population, and to help ensure that the Iraqi forces left behind are capable of providing the security that Baghdad needs.”

Yes? Then we can redeploy the troops.

No? Then it HASN'T WORKED!!!

One or the other, kids. It can ONLY be one or the other.

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The mechanic finally found the problem with my car and believes it is now fixed, but he's going to keep it a few more days to be certain. I think that's a good idea. I'd hate to have it break down on me again.

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Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
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Permanent bases. Endless spending. Your mechanic is keeping your car forever dude.

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"Conservatives" believe it is okay to kill innocent men, women and children, but not a zygote.

who told you this?

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Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
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And when the mechanic says, "Never mind. The car is fine. Give it back by the end of 2010,"? Then what?

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lol, the above analogy is horrible.

ive got a better one:

your mechanic is certain your car is rigged to explode, that someone must have it in for you. he insists on removing the threat, takes your car apart, loses some parts, doesnt know what hes doing. hes destroyed your car, but doesnt find anything threatening. you tell him, hey, you were wrong, you screwed up my car! he replies, no, im just fixin it for you, silly! let me put your car back together for you, give me some time. youre left without options and ask when he will be done, he refuses to give a deadline, says, it takes time and that you dont wanna mess with success. the end.

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So why does this either/or scenerio have to be the policy in this case? Can't we remain cautious and diligent about something this seriousas a contry's stability? You're looking for a partisan squabble where there needn't be one. We understand the level of your hate. We get it.

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Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
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You raised the "mechanic" issue, TRG -- I mean, MM. Not me.

Again.

Has the surge "WORKED"?

If so, you can redeploy the troops.

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