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Old 09-23-2004, 10:29 AM
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Come on TB, this is ridiculous. Oh everyone knows he went AWOL do we need proof? Everyone at one time KNEW the earth was the center of the solar system, so yes proof is needed. Especially if you are going to sit back there and demand proof for every right winged allegation put forth. Apply the standards you apply to others to yourself!
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Old 09-25-2004, 09:33 AM
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I imagine you're Rathered out, but let me say just a couple of things: First, what a delicious story. My elation has barely subsided.

Now, I'm not elated that CBS News is a Democratic nest. But I'm elated that it is now exposed as such. If I had my way, our Big Media would be neutral, dispassionate: newsy. But if they're going to be partisan, better that they be seen that way.

This is how it's done in Europe, largely: There's the Socialist newspaper, the Christian Democratic newspaper, the Communist newspaper. Everyone's all nice 'n' labeled, or nice 'n' known. I would prefer that the New York Times, L.A. Times, etc., be objective, disinterested organs, but if they're not going to be, let's be open about it. That is so much better than the pretending so many have engaged in, for so long.

Have you read about this Mary Mapes chick, the Dan Rather producer? Does Fox News employ anyone more robustly, enthusiastically partisan? It seems impossible. I would think that the Ann Arbor News would be embarrassed to employ Mary Mapes (well, maybe not).

Most revealing about the Rather episode is the arrogance: the arrogance of this man, Rather, and his network. They responded like politicians, or campaign managers, rather than newspeople. They lashed out at their critics as disreputable nutcases.

Wouldn't you be mortified if you were challenged as Rather was? Wouldn't you be beside yourself, trying to make everything right?

Look, we're that way at these opinion outlets. Shouldn't you be triply that way in a mainstream shop, like CBS News?

But Dan Rather's response was not mortification, contrition, and humility. It was, "How dare you Neanderthals in pajamas question me, the Unquestionable Dan Rather. I report the news, and the rest of you yahoos just have to shut up."

Not anymore. Oh, happy day!

But, please, now can we stop the pretending? Can we stop pretending that the mainstream media are neutral? That's what has always bothered me, chiefly — more than the bias or partisanship.

I'm not sure it's possible to humble these people. I'm not sure that the Jayson Blair episode, and that whole Raines era, succeeded in humbling the New York Times. They still sneer at the New York Post, even the New York Sun. They're still snotty about Fox.

I have my doubts that Rather et al. are humble-able. But, certainly in the case of CBS, we shall see.

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Former National Guard commander Bill Burkett has become the first player in the CBS forged document scandal to implicate John Kerry's presidential campaign, telling the Fort Worth Star Telegram that top Kerry aide Joe Lockhart pressed him to turn over damaging evidence on George Bush.

During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett told the Telegram that he suggested a "couple of concepts on what I thought (Kerry) had to do" to beat Bush.

In return, he said, Lockhart tried to "convince me as to why I should give them the documents."

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Old 09-25-2004, 12:27 PM
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Burkett: Lockhart Asked Me for Rathergate Documents

Former National Guard commander Bill Burkett has become the first player in the CBS forged document scandal to implicate John Kerry's presidential campaign, telling the Fort Worth Star Telegram that top Kerry aide Joe Lockhart pressed him to turn over damaging evidence on George Bush.

During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett told the Telegram that he suggested a "couple of concepts on what I thought (Kerry) had to do" to beat Bush.

In return, he said, Lockhart tried to "convince me as to why I should give them the documents."

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Burkett's lawyer has already corrected this statement by Burkett....claiming he meant CBS......not anyone in the Kerry campaign. I mean....after all, Burkett hates Bush and wants Kerry to win....so you don't think they are going to try to do anything BUT protect the Kerry campaign here, do you? And hey..... Lockhart says it wasn't about Bush's Guard service OR those documents. So......it had to be that Joe Lockhart simply wanted to find out what the weather was like out there in Abilene!!!!!
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into that story about the Fort Worth Star Telegram. I heard they were retracting there story on this subject.
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Aren't we losing track of the real story here - i.e. why Bush doesn't seem to be able to prove he actually fulfilled his duty? Whether or not the CBS documents are real or not doesn't change the simple fact that no one claims to have seen him, no documents prove he was there!
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EXACTLY DUSTPUPPY!!!!

What were on those Watergate tapes?? That is what is important here!!!
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the real story here is; That John kerry Is going down in flames and the Dems are grasping at straws (even going as far as making up stuff) trying to come with ANYTHING they can because, thats ALL they have in this campaign. No, That IS the campaign.
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Aren't we losing track of the real story here - i.e. why Bush doesn't seem to be able to prove he actually fulfilled his duty? Whether or not the CBS documents are real or not doesn't change the simple fact that no one claims to have seen him, no documents prove he was there!
He has proved it. He has an HONORABLE DISCHARGE....which says he fulfilled ALL his requirements and therefore was honorably discharged.

I find it rather hypocritical that Dems insist that John Kerry's Purple Hearts and Silver Star are earned....because, after all, the official records say so. But you don't want to let Bush's OFFICIAL RECORD stand for the fact that he fulfilled his duties. Don't you find that hypocritical?

Not to mention, Bush flew in the Guard FULL-TIME for 2 years. The typical Guard member flew a couple week-ends per month. Most had other jobs and that's why there was NOT a waiting list for guys who were willing to fly full-time......as Lt. Bush did. Within 5 years, he had already earned all the points he needed. Actually more than he needed. You guys continue to make much ado about nothing.

I realize that since you are from Belguim you haven't a clue as to how our National Guard system worked over here back in the 1960's and 1970's. But I do.....because I was around at that time. You people should really do some research and/or talk to those who were around at that time and involved before spouting off.
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