Even McCain said Bush's strategies in Iraq were huge failures. Iraq was a mistake in the first place.

We don't have a choice here. Iraq's government is pushing us out. This is a result of Maliki demanding troop withdrawal for months, and strongly urging withdrawal for years before that.

The GOP will take credit for anything and call it victory. But Iraq is a US failure.

Let me repeat: The Time Table has been agreed upon. The Iraqi people demanded we leave and we are leaving. Our troops can finally return home to their families. They should have never went there and should have returned sooner.

This isn't a political issue, its a moral one.

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Which point are you arguing exactly? What does McCain have to do with Obama disagreeing with Bush? Your wall of text has no substance even worth commenting on. Other than I'm sorry that the MM has a choke hold on you. (FoxNews, McPlacement)

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Iraq = mistake.

Every American should be glad the tragedy is coming to an end. This is a non-partisan issue.

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[quote=kaspy;738971]Even McCain said Bush's strategies in Iraq were huge failures. Iraq was a mistake in the first place.

We don't have a choice here. Iraq's government is pushing us out. This is a result of Maliki demanding troop withdrawal for months, and strongly urging withdrawal for years before that.

How readily we twist reality in order to make our point. Iraq is NOT pushing us out ... we have agreed to an orderly transition of security responsibility over the next three years. It is a phased transition, releasing control of the cities to the Iraqi security troops, but staying close enough to respond if needed. When they have proven that they can handle it, then the US troops will redeploy to wherever they are needed. But, once again, the execution of those phases is dependent on the strategic situation on the ground.

The GOP will take credit for anything and call it victory. But Iraq is a US failure.

Oh yeah ... an obvious failure. We only managed to remove a tyrant, cripple terrorist activities, capture or kill numerous terror leaders, and establish a democracy right in the middle of a historically corrupt part of the world. We could use a few more failures like this.

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I'm glad Saddam is Gone, but we helped put him there in the first place. So there. Success is based on goals. What were the goals of the war?

To catch Bin Ladin: Failed
He was never in Iraq.

To fight terrorism: Failed
There are more terrorists in Iraq today than before the war.

To get oil at a cheaper price: Failed
Prices have risen to 4.00 a gallon.

I agree some good has come of the war. But objectively we messed this up badly. Screw politics.

All I care about is that the Iraq occupation is going to end. Bring our brave men and women home.

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[quote=kaspy;739095]I'm glad Saddam is Gone, but we helped put him there in the first place. So there. Success is based on goals. What were the goals of the war?

To catch Bin Ladin: Failed
He was never in Iraq.

Wrong. Catching Bin Laden was not a justification for entering Iraq. I think you're confused.

To fight terrorism: Failed
There are more terrorists in Iraq today than before the war.

Yes. But most of them aren't breathing.

To get oil at a cheaper price: Failed
Prices have risen to 4.00 a gallon.

Anyone who claims the war was to get oil is obviously misguided. How you could conceive, short of seizing the oilfields and claiming them as the spoils of war, the invasion could drive down the cost of oil shows a lack of understanding of both world economics and stark reality.

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the fact is we are able to use a timetable for one of two reasons. (1) all the cowards are now fighting in afghanistan where they know the troop level is lower. (2) the surge actually worked. not because the liberals proposed a timetable. that doesn't make them right about jack squat.

the only way we are going to win these wars is the support of the majority in both countries. we can be there for 50 more years but if they don't want a change in their own country then it's a lost war guaranteed. we don't have the manpower nor money to do it on our own.

that's why we should learn from our mistakes and never force democracy on a country that doesn't want it. it's wrong. just because we think a democratic system will be better for a country doesn't mean it actually will.

There is a significant difference between "forc(ing) democracy on a county" and giving them the internal security, and the opportunity, to choose their government. Remember the purple fingers?

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Obama's plan was the best of all when he would not have voted for the war in the first place. Think of the money and lives that we would have saved. Think if we would have put all that military power and hard work into Afghanistan we may even have Osama Bin Forgotten in jail by now. Obama had the best plan all along. Rah Rah RAH.

Now he forged the idea for the plan to get us the hell gone from that place. You cna do your little snoopy dances all over your living rooms about GWB. When the fact is that only after Obama said what he would do did something get done. LMAO

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Is it in the air where you live or something? If I didn't know better, I would say you lived downwind from a hemp plant.

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