It tells me you don't know what is in the hearts and minds of people who have bumper stickers. Supporting our brave soldiers isn't the same as supporting an unconstitutional war that weakens us in Afghanistan where the enemy is based.

Also, McCain probably has a bumper sticker like that on his cars. But... He doesn't support the troops. What does that tell you?

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

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It means that they're using "the troops" as a wookiee defense of the war. It also means that they literally think that all it takes to "support the troops" *is* a magnetic sticker.

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Why so angry, spare? What exactly have I posted that you've 'refuted and disproved time after time after time'? I challenge you to come up with just one thing that you've 'disproved and refuted'

If you think my posts are a joke, or in any other way disagree with them, then please address the posts and not the poster, in a civil fashion. That's the best way to make whatever argument you want to make.

Of course, if you're so full of anger that you don't think they 'deserve fair commentary', then feel free to post your mindless insults and your transparent attempts at condescension. I won't report you to a mod unless you break a forum rule. But you will find yourself being ignored by more and more sensible, intelligent posters who come here for debate.

Trust me, even people on your side of the political spectrum will start getting tired of your flamebaiting. If you were a leftist, I wouldn't want you on my side.

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it is a mistake to throw out the language of equal worth because of its contingent historical association with Western power.

Why are some people trying to coddle the military or make victims out of them?

So speak for yourselves, don't pretend to speak for anyone else.

There's the right answer.


Could you imagine German citizens during 1940 saying I support the troops but not the war. It's quite ridiculous.

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^Is this "supporting the troops"? I think not.

It is our *duty* to them to do what you refer to as "coddling". They have put their lives on the line for us and all that they ask is that we not abuse that pact by putting them in harm's way without a darn good reason.
Furthermore, it is our responsibility to see to it that the ones who have come home wounded get the support and rehabilitation they need.
We're 0 for 2 on that count.

This is not an abstract concept and they're not G.I. Joe action figures. They are real people just like us. I would think you of all people would understand that.

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Yes support our troops bring them home from our criminal activity. Pardon the troops fpr their part in the crime. Put the ring leaders in jail for crimes against humanity.

Members of the US military are responsible for the defense of the United States and not for imposing the will of the President upon other sovereign nations.

No pardon necessary. Similar to someone that is forced to rob a bank because someone is holding a gun on them the members of the US military face courts marshall and prison time if they refuse to comply with the orders of their commanding officers. They are coereced into their actions and are not responsible for them.

Can we include all of them? That would include Bill Clinton who carried on an illegal war against Iraq during his entire administration.

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Hey! I'm going to Italy in December. Going to Rome, and then staying with my family in Ascoli Piceno. Ever been there?

McCain's a better choice.