Your Right! You have just made a RACIST statement. That is something that [b}Catz{/b} did NOT do! How is using "European Nations" as a category Racist??? It would help your arguments if you actually had KNOWLEDGE about your subject.

Your knowledge of the United States and it's society is absolutely Zilch! And you are revealing that with every ridiculous statement you make! How do you justify the contradiction in this paragraph???
1) Many (European Countries) more free than U.S., and turn around and admit that
2) ...but choose to instead protect it's people by infringing on freedom of speech! Total contradiction! Either you HAVE freedom of Speech or you don't! And the European version of "Freedom of Speech" is RESTRICTIVE! Thus LESS FREEDOM than the U.S. You just proved it.

Martin Luther had NO interest in "Equal Rights"! He was "campaigning" to end the Catholic Church's dominance and corruption! You really have a tendency to say ANYTHING that comes into your head, regardless of truth!!!

AGAIN!! No actual knowledge of the U.S. or it's society! Provide some actual information on current Government enforced "Quotas" here! You have heard anecdotes spouted by people with the same Hatred as yourself and believed it because you WANT to believe it!!

And she is absolutely correct! What you are advocating is TOTAL control over your thought processes by some arbitrary government NANNY!!! We don't NEED that! But judging by your posts, I agree that YOU do!

Hitler was a Fascist that USED the Socialist tendencies of the Germans and other Europeans to ENSLAVE A WHOLE CONTINENT!! And YOU are advocating those same "Tendencies"!!!! Are you a Fascist in Socialist clothing?

There is NO "Fairness" when Freedom is curtailed!! But it's a cute Socialist saying, that just like all the others, is TOTALLY FALSE!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! So NOW we know just how much actual Life Experience you are drawing on to make these ridiculous statements! Get out from under the Socialist Dogma and experience some actual Self Sufficiency!! It will amaze you just how Fair Freedom can be!

Absolutely. I feel they are definitely oppressed. Oppressed to the level of Pyongang? No. But neither is Singapore and they are still oppressed. 9 million is about the same size as Boston and suburbs. 8 million + and that was about 1-2 years ago. My mistake, a transit agreement and allied soldiers whose planes couldn't return were held. That and supplying the Nazi war machine on various fronts.

Nope she made a Xenophobic statement, don't you listen?

UUUGGHHH ... Its not it's Xenophobic! At what point did i say it was racist?

Obviously living in Europe gives me no knowledge on the subject.

So is Catz knowledge of Europe.

1. I was talking about Sweden when i said your second point, not the entire of Europe. 2. Freedom of speech is not the only type of freedom you can have.

Nope you have it in different measures. For example you're not allowed to plan murder.

Some countries in Europe are, yes.

I repeat there are many types of freedom.

Even so Sweden's law wouldn't have stopped him anyway.

So do the U.S. give business' quoter's or not? You having the greater knowledge of the U.S. should know right?


Actually i first heard that quoter's were being enforced in the U.S. by a republican who who was annoyed by them.

But control over your actions is acceptable? Why is that?

No he didn't he drooped all plans to nationalize as soon as industrialists became alarmed. Hitler was of the right. And wasn't it Europeans who also defeated him?

Nope just a communist, secretly plotting to take over west Africa.

Yes there is. What a stupid comment.

Fairness over freedom - how exactly can that be false?

Ageist.

No it won't.

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No. "She" did NOT make a Xenophobic statement. Here is what she said;
That is no more "Xenophobic" than saying that, "European Nations do not have the same style of Democratic Institutions as the U.S."!!
It is a simple statement of fact without judging the point!

Since you have no clear understanding of the word you keep using to enhance your image of your own intellect, I will define it for you!

Xenophobic - "A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

Now use that teenage intellect to point out where in Catz's statement she showed "undue fear or Contempt"????

YOU are the one who made the "Racist" statement.

Hey Dingleberry! The SUBJECT was NOT "European Nations"! The subject was ;

Only quoting one sentence, and that OUT OF CONTEXT, is a childish ploy! "Living in Europe" doesn't "Give" or take away "Knowledge" on THAT subject! The subject was the definition of a word that you are butchering! And you obviously have little to NO knowledge on that subject!

Ahhhh!!!!!!!!!! So now you ADMIT that your "knowledge" of the U.S. is "Zilch"!?!?!?! Yet you continue to hurl false accusations. Another childish tactic.

No. BUT, there ARE government agencies that monitor the hiring practices of businesses to assure that they are not practicing DISCRIMINATION. That is the result of continual efforts within the U.S. society to promote FAIRNESS!!!!!!!! Ever heard that word? But, although we dabbled in "Quota" systems in the schools and other public places in the PAST, we found that they generally fail to accomplish the original objective of FAIRNESS!!!!

Did you notice that the word was "Quotas", not "Quoters"?

You are so filled with false information about the U.S. Government and our Society that it is no wonder you have come to such outrageous conclusions and opinions. If you have any ethical sense at all, you will spend some time doing ACTUAL, substantive research on the subject! And I don't mean seeking out Information that ONLY fits your preconceived conclusions. Try reading what Winston Churchill thought of the U.S.

Until then it is an exercise in Lunacy for anyone to try and debate the inane, subjective, opinions you are coming up with about the U.S.


If you would like to narrow your diatribe to ONLY that statement, a good debate just might be forthcoming. That statement has two or three cogent points that can actually be quantified and discussed.
IF a real "Discussion" is what you are after?!?!!?

No, I am not comparing absolute numbers here. What makes you think that. Even if we compare relative numbers, Sweden is much better off. Crimes involving guns for instance are almost non existent in Sweden. I bet there are more crimes involving guns in a small US city than in Sweden as a nation.

And Boston is not a gorgeous city. Sure, if one forgets the ghettos, the projects (or whatever they're called). But guess what, one can't just forget about them.

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I will admit that I only read about half of this thread, but already I think the concept behind 'Hate speech laws" have been kind of lost. I think this is why people in the US freak out over this law, thinking that the law is some sort of government imposed thought police, that will strike at any time someone starts a sentence with 'I hate...'. I would like to clarify the misconceptions.

Hate Speech, at least in Canada, is not a government imposed law, it's a government supported law, and was requested/lobbied by the people of Canada. That's right, this is something that Canadians, and I believe Europeans as well, WANT and have asked to have. Even recently, a large group lobbied to have Sexual Orientation included in the Hate Speech law as part of Canada's charter of Human rights and Freedoms.

Also, The whole point of the law is not to prevent or limit Freedom of speech, but to prevent the possibility of spreading Hate propoganda similar to what Hitler did to the Jews. You really have to go to the extreme to be prosecuted as the law as it specifically forbids the following: (a) advocacy of genocide, (b) incitement to hatred of groups that is likely to occasion breach of the peace, and (c) group defamation. But this law still allows the maximum level of freedom of expression. For example, someone can go on tv and debate same sex marriages, and even go so far as say that they believe homosexuality is wrong, immoral, etc.... But you can't go on tv advocating that all gays and lesbians should be killed, and everyone should hate them because they are evil.

Having said all of that, although I like not having to hear any of the racist garbage, I often wonder if this law reduces racisim, or sweeps it under the carpet. Racism is still quite prevelent in Canada, no more or less than in the United States (from my own experience) but you just don't hear about it publicly as much. Mind you I have only been up here a few years, so I guess only time will tell

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in an open forum for the clear malarkey it is,

to having people tell me I may not be able to express myself as I wish.

It's all a matter of preferences. The American way of life isn't for everyone. It's advanced stuff. It means tolerating people who make you want to scream on the premise that others will have to tolerate you, even when you make them want to strangle you because the ideas you have are so whack.

But, I prefer it to a cotton swaddled society in which nanny tells you what to think...and what not to.

You've EMPOWERED your government to be nanny. Thanks, but no thanks.

I've met nanny, up close and personal, and she sucks.

Catz

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JW Frogen, my new favorite noob poster:

If you are such a weak jellyfish you can be bullied on a forum where you can ignore any poster you do not want to read than I suggest you move to Tibet, convert to Buddhism, protest the Chinese occupation, be killed as you will by the Chinese and hope you come back with some form of backbone.

I doubt you've even stepped foot in Boston. If you have it's been 25 years. I live in Boston, they don't have projects here. I'll happily debate you about the city anytime. Now slither off to find a web site about Boston and try to learn something.