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Old 10-05-2004, 04:48 AM
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Default Rummy flip flops

Rummy flips flops from yesterday!

Just as well he proved the Rummy Doctrine at the pentagon before being booted out
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Default Did I hear him correctly:

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Rummy flips flops from yesterday!

Just as well he proved the Rummy Doctrine at the pentagon before being booted out
That he hasn't been able to find any evidence that Iraq could be linked to 9/11? Wasn't that what Bush said during the debates, in response to why we went into Iraq he stated that it was because we were attacked. This implies as they have always tried to imply that Iraq attacked us on 9/11, as opposed to Osama and Al-qaeda. Luckily Kerry called him on this.
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Old 10-05-2004, 06:24 AM
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saw a headline today that Rummy changed his stance on yesterday


that pres conf yesterday, it sounded like Rummy was acting like one of the dittoheads here, blah blah blah Saddam bad, blahharboured trrorists, blah blah gave $20k to families of suicide bombers.....
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Default You Misunderstood - He actually told the truth for once

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3715396.stm

You misunderstood. This is a direct quote of what Rumsfeld said when asked about connections between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden:

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"To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two"
But then after it was reported he decided that that phase was meant to say:

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solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad
Of course he can't give details. But he is probably refering to Zarqawi and the administration claims he was helped in Baghdad. Of course the administration omits that he went to Northern Iraq and worked with the Kurdish opposition to Saddam. Not exactly the kind of link between Saddam and Al Qeada to base a war on. They also omit that they had a chance to attack the terrorist Zarqawi before the war and didn't. Why didn't they attack him.. I believe for political reaso9ns just so that they could make this claim that he was in Iraq to justify the war. So how many have died in the resistance...opps..insurgence, because President Bush let this guy go. Watch the video link on this page too.

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Default For the Umpteenth time

Attention all libs and Dems...and for the Umpteenth time:

THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS CONNECTED TO THE ATTACK ON 9/11. NEVER.
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Attention all libs and Dems...and for the Umpteenth time:

THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS CONNECTED TO THE ATTACK ON 9/11. NEVER.

Why then did he use the phrase..."the enemy attacked us" in the debates to describe why he chose to go into Iraq. If indeed he isn't implying that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, there would be no need to enter Iraq when we did. Face the facts...they have always implied that Iraq and 9/11 were connected. They run their whole campaign on that idea. Since the onset of the Iraq war they have consistantly mentioned 9/11 and terrorism along side Saddam Hussein and reasons for war. This is precisely what Kerry is talking about when he discussed how the president and his administration have mislead Americans and the world for that matter on the issues of Iraq and terrorism.
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Default Here's one

This is a great Rumsfeld flip flop:

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/
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Attention all libs and Dems...and for the Umpteenth time:

THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS CONNECTED TO THE ATTACK ON 9/11. NEVER.
First, The flip flop I posted was about Al Qeada and Saddam not 9/11. And that claim has been made numerous times by this administration.

Second, Remember the old post here that exposed the Republican rhetoric as detailed by Frank Luntz:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/Luntz.pdf

As described on this page, the Republicans follow this to a T. They never say Saddam was responsible for 9/11. But they do use the inuendo of starting every speech about Iraq with a reference to 9/11. Watch, it is really obvious once you read the memo and then watch the speeches.
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Default It depends upon how one defines the term enemy...

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IF you believe that if OBL goes away, all those Islamists who are presently blowing up people around the world in suicide bombings will stop, then you're incorrectly defining the term enemy.

Correctly defined, the enemy are groups of radical islamists and those who give them aid and shelter, not a single man or group.

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Default Fact is Catz...

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Correctly defined, the enemy are groups of radical islamists and those who give them aid and shelter, not a single man or group.
Bush implied that the definition of "the enemy" was a single man and group. He implied by stating that "the enemy" that attacked us was Saddam Hussein and Iraq. Since the beginning of the Iraq war, the theme has always been the same in each of his/cheney/rummy's speeches. Tie 9/11 and Iraq together. This is so very obvious Catz.
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