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We all know about the financial crisis that we have just entered. We might differ on the etiology, but nobody that I know of differs on the condition. Quite frankly, I am scared to death. I am scared of a "Hooverville" situation. I am afraid of my ability to earn a decent wage. I am scared that all our debt will cause us to collapse. I am scared that the solution inevitable to people who remember or know of the Depression would be government interference to levels that would shadow communism. I am scared of chaotic panicked frenzy. I am scared that somehow we have entered an era where the rhetoric of the past will be slow to die and that new ideas and effective solutions to the problems will be more slow to arrive. I am scared of the death of capitalism. I am scared regardless of whom we elect to preside over us.

However, I believe that the best solution is one in which everybody does their part to put Humpty Dumpty back together. We should not wait for the government, and we should not just accept a government solution. We need to become primary movers of this economy, just like we were of the last economy. I still do not know what nature this service to ourselves and our country should take, nor to what extent. That leads me to a question that as I think now, has been gestating in me for the past few days. What is the best thing I can do to help repair this broken economy, and possibly set it right such that it is even stronger than it was before? Additionally, how can this be done en masse, but in a way that is unrelated to a bubble economy? How can we grow the economy, from the ground up, back to a strong, steadfast juggernaut? What can we do for our country?
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Maybe, just maybe don't vote Republican this time?
Nothing against the GOP btw.
Just not wanting to see those 2 getting the USA in an even worse shape than the one it already is.
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Maybe, just maybe don't vote Republican this time?
Nothing against the GOP btw.
Just not wanting to see those 2 getting the USA in an even worse shape than the one it already is.
My 2 euro-cent.
That smells faintly of asking my government to do something for me. I want to do something myself for my country.
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That smells faintly of asking my government to do something for me. I want to do something myself for my country.
Actually capitalism is the epitome of 'what can my country do for me', capitalists are internationalists who don't care about their fellow countrymen, all they care about is making a buck, and if it means more profit they would gladly ship every job and industry in America overseas.
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Actually capitalism is the epitome of 'what can my country do for me', capitalists are internationalists who don't care about their fellow countrymen, all they care about is making a buck, and if it means more profit they would gladly ship every job and industry in America overseas.
I know what capitalism is, and you constantly and thoroughly get it wrong. Your posts lack such understanding, it is as though you are building a house on quicksand out of asbestos.
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That smells faintly of asking my government to do something for me. I want to do something myself for my country.
I see that otherwise as you, as a USA-er,decides what govt you want.
You're the boss, not the guys you elect. They work for you or at least that is what they are supposed to do.
Oh well, slippery slope as I'm not a voter over there.
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I see that otherwise as you, as a USA-er,decides what govt you want.
You're the boss, not the guys you elect. They work for you or at least that is what they are supposed to do.
Oh well, slippery slope as I'm not a voter over there.
Cheers.
I am looking for a more proactive solution.
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I am looking for a more proactive solution.
Make a donation to the FED?
Joke apart, work your a$s off, get rich and pay a lot of taxes but make them use that money wisely. Otherwise, sue them.
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The problems exist at the highest points of corporate America. They stem from two massive deregulation's of financial institutions that turned into corruption and inflation of the housing market.

Unfortunately, there really isn't anything you can do, except support regulations on financial institutions, ensuring that they are providing loans to people who need/can pay them and keeping corruption to a minimum. This sort of thing is where you need to be happy that we have a government that can step in.
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Maybe, just maybe don't vote Republican this time?
Nothing against the GOP btw.
Actually the solution would've been voting Republican in 1977 and in 1997. The two bills that were passed, were done so under watch of the Democratic party during the presidencies of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

The bills, "The Depository Institutions Deregulatory and Monetary Control Act of 1980" and "The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999" were the largest pieces of financial legislation passed in our nations history and are 100% the reason we're in this mess.
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