Originally Posted by The Roving Lunatic

If you don’t remember what the DJIA closed on the day George W. Bush was sworn into office, it closed at 10,732.46. In the eight years of the Bush Administration the DJIA is essentially FLAT. When Clinton took office in January of 1993 the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 3,253. When he left office in January of 2001 it was at 10,587. That’s a 187% gain.

When clinton took over the economy wasn't too hot, he turned it around. Bush in eight years has done nothing to improve the economy, just make it worse

Originally Posted by WanRen

Originally Posted by WanRen

The reason the war in Iraq happened was because Bush wanted Iraq not for the USA but for him and his neo con groups. Bush IMO took advantage the office of the President of the USA and use that power for personal goals.

In France a President like that would have already been removed by the people.

And since the USA is already there, Bush is making the argument "no cut and run" making it appear again that to retreat or leave Iraq is unpatriotic. Putting many US politicians in a difficult situation.

Obama has been clear not retreat but regroup let the Iraqis take over they are more than capable of doing so. USA can act as support, the problem is who do the USA support the shiites or the sunnis?

One thing that Americans have been afraid especially the politicians to mention in regards to the surge is that the success that is happening in Iraq was not totally becuase of the surge the surge is just 25% of it the 75% of success was the fact that Sunnis, Kurds, Shiites and other Iraqis have finally at least 75% agree to work together plus the visit of Iraq PM to Iran has resulted with positive outcome. Iran a major ally of shiites have agreed to work with the Iraqi government.



McCain tax cuts, stop and think he said he is going to change Washington by going after the lobbyiest the special interest groups? is the tax cuts really about supporting them as a camoflauge he give tax cuts to all sectors but mathematically the rich will get a bigger cut.

It is like a trick to appease the 80% of not rich Americans with a tax cut so that they will not complain or notice that the rich are actually getting the bigger cuts.

To allow expansion? is it a form of blackmail from those special interest groups? give us tax cuts or we will relocate out of the USA? if those corporation are patriotic and they are really concern about the economic welfare of the nation they should not be worry too much about paying more taxes since they can afford it, in Obama's term I would say it is about wealth sharing.

Plus under Obama's plan government regulation will ensure that those companies practice good ethical business sense. Under McCain which is about less government is about letting those businesses have a free reign they can basically do what they feel is necessary to enrich themselves it is another form of warlordism, and whent heir business is about to go down they will call for the government to bail themout while they have akready bail themselves out already with fat bonuses that are deposited off shore.



Let's assume that is the case there was already a deficit but Bush increase the deficit to alarming level.

USA in not like other countries in fact which other countries; Singapore?, China?, Japan? Korea? France? Italy? Zimbabwe, etc. which? The USA is a country of its own with its own economic condition that's not suppossed to go down the way it is happening now.



Bush is the President he is the commander in chief he should have known, he should have the forsight, he should have the judgement to make the right executive dicision.

Originally Posted by intertemporal

Sorry WAN REN. I don't know what's your education and knowledge level, but pleae, do verify the informations before you post it up.

US is a country with the largest deficit in this world since I DON"T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO.<<<---there's no need to assume that there was deficit before BUSH took over. LOL

and what is the alarming level??? or, is it that any deficit amount that we'll end up after Bush's term is ALARMING LEVEL???? LOL

"""Plus under Obama's plan government regulation will ensure that those companies practice good ethical business sense. """ this is the funniest joke ever. What is the definition of good ethical business sense?????? LOL

and, all the stuff you said,, all have no content.
if you wanna say US economy is different from others.... tell me HOW. don't just use a sentense, and expect people to agree with what you say.

and by the way, thanks... cuz your post made me and my friends day.

Originally Posted by The Roving Lunatic

your sig is making me cry, because its unfortunate people can decisions about a president on word games rather than intellect

Originally Posted by intertemporal

Sorry WAN REN. I don't know what's your education and knowledge level, but pleae, do verify the informations before you post it up.

US is a country with the largest deficit in this world since I DON"T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO.<<<---there's no need to assume that there was deficit before BUSH took over. LOL

and what is the alarming level??? or, is it that any deficit amount that we'll end up after Bush's term is ALARMING LEVEL???? LOL

"""Plus under Obama's plan government regulation will ensure that those companies practice good ethical business sense. """ this is the funniest joke ever. What is the definition of good ethical business sense?????? LOL

and, all the stuff you said,, all have no content.
if you wanna say US economy is different from others.... tell me HOW. don't just use a sentense, and expect people to agree with what you say.

and by the way, thanks... cuz your post made me and my friends day.

Originally Posted by WanRen

What information, that the USA is in triuble because of the Bush administrtaion, that McCain agress with Bush 90% of the times. It is verify it is all over out there.

I have the knowledege of a fifth grader



I believe it was you who have pointed that out not me check your post on previous page, page 2.



I guess you are assuming the present financial crisis is not alarming still.



I do not expect people to agree with me just like they don't agree with those who said it was wrong to invade Iraq, it was wrong to ignore the allies, etc. I am just a contributor it is up to the readers to agree or disagree just like I don't agree with you.



You are most welcome, at least people out there are aware the voice of reason still exist

On another note:

Five former Secretary of State Powell, Baker, Albrieght, Kissinger, and A. Christopher all share the same thought that the USA should talk directly with Syria and Iran.

Base on that it would seem that is what Obama have adopted and said and when Obama said that the McCain camp immidiately jump at him attacking him as being unpatriotic and being too soft and surrendering to Iran, this is what McCain believes no talk with Iran and Syria the same policy with Bush that we have seen and all the five former Secretary of State of agree is not a good strategy.

What is suprising is that even though Baker seem to have the same idea or share Obama's idea he still chosed to support McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091502577.html

"Albright, a Democrat, surprised no one by endorsing Barack Obama. "It would be sending a message of diversity" to the world, she said, drawing cheers from an audience of dozens of diplomats and hundreds of students.
Baker, a Republican, said he wished to send a "powerful message" to America as well as abroad. After a dramatic pause, he evoked applause and some laughter by saying tersely, "But I am for John McCain."
Powell, the first African American secretary of state, said he had not decided yet. "I am an American first," Powell said.
He said he had told Obama, "I am not going to vote for you just because you are black." The critical issue, he said, "is who is going to keep us safe."

Originally Posted by intertemporal

Obama keeps on saying Bush's economic policy is a failure,,