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Old 09-19-2008, 05:09 PM
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Obama keeps on saying Bush's economic policy is a failure,, and Obama keeps on trying to implement the same idea to McCain.

I have enough of this.

When Bush took over from Clinton, the economy was already heading into a recession.

And, the real estate bubble is caused by Clinton's effort to try to boost home ownership...

and, Bush is Bush, McCain is McCain.

if you, Obama, have nothing constructive to say about McCain, you should just shut up.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:49 PM
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It will only get worse the closer we get to election day.
I have had about all the Bush hate I can stand myself.
And all the dumbocrats trying to use the more the same with McCain is just childish.
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If you don’t remember what the DJIA closed on the day George W. Bush was sworn into office, it closed at 10,732.46. In the eight years of the Bush Administration the DJIA is essentially FLAT. When Clinton took office in January of 1993 the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 3,253. When he left office in January of 2001 it was at 10,587. That’s a 187% gain.

When clinton took over the economy wasn't too hot, he turned it around. Bush in eight years has done nothing to improve the economy, just make it worse
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Obama keeps on saying Bush's economic policy is a failure,, and Obama keeps on trying to implement the same idea to McCain.

I have enough of this.

When Bush took over from Clinton, the economy was already heading into a recession.

And, the real estate bubble is caused by Clinton's effort to try to boost home ownership...

and, Bush is Bush, McCain is McCain.

if you, Obama, have nothing constructive to say about McCain, you should just shut up.
ummm....misguided as you are, let me help. We were headed into a recession during Clintons administration because of the looming tech bubble crash and the moronic run private corporations of Enron/World Com and the hundreds of other IPO startups that were poised to fail in the coming years. When Clinton left office, the value of the dollar was higher than at any point during the Reagan, Bush or new Bush administration and we were actually paying down our massive national debt (it was 5 trillion at the end of Bush 1, and 3 trillion at the end of Clinton).

Oh, and I don't remember Clinton owning any housing developers in the many suburban cities I see around Chicago. If you haven't noticed, they don't make ranch style, 2-3 bedroom, 1-2 bath homes anymore. The only thing you see are either homeway style homes or 5 bed, 3 bath homes with granite countertops and whirlpool baths. Either one is priced beyond what people SHOULD be paying or should have been paying. Oh, and it was the republican congress that passed ALL of the deregulation laws for corporations, housing programs and others, that have lead to this mess.

And no, Obama shouldn't be saying anything about McCain and his economic policies, it's much wiser to just shut up and let McCain talk himself out of this race, which he's doing rather quickly. He is out of ideas and never really had a clue anyway. Obama's plan, while not perfect, will move us in a much better direction than anything McCain is doing, which btw, is VERY close to what Bush has done, except that McCain actually thinks that with all this debt, no funding whatsoever, and potentially more wars (which he wants), we could still have room to cut taxes. Yeah, good luck with that one. What was it Bush 1 said "read my lips". Didn't that one also turn farce? Guess we would have had to accept the same, but won't have to when McCain loses the election.
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If you don’t remember what the DJIA closed on the day George W. Bush was sworn into office, it closed at 10,732.46. In the eight years of the Bush Administration the DJIA is essentially FLAT. When Clinton took office in January of 1993 the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 3,253. When he left office in January of 2001 it was at 10,587. That’s a 187% gain.

When clinton took over the economy wasn't too hot, he turned it around. Bush in eight years has done nothing to improve the economy, just make it worse
So what he will be gone in Jan. There is no way you can say McCain is going to carry on with Bush policies. McCain has his own and has gone aginist Bush many times.
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Obama keeps on saying Bush's economic policy is a failure,, and Obama keeps on trying to implement the same idea to McCain.

I have enough of this.

When Bush took over from Clinton, the economy was already heading into a recession.

And, the real estate bubble is caused by Clinton's effort to try to boost home ownership...

and, Bush is Bush, McCain is McCain.

if you, Obama, have nothing constructive to say about McCain, you should just shut up.

Its amazing that you blame Clinton's economic policies on the current economic condition. Why can't the administration be accountable for poor economic policies? If the recession started during the beginning of the Bush administration what was done to avert this disaster? By the way it was McCain that blamed the crisis on Obama. That made no sense at all.
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So what he will be gone in Jan. There is no way you can say McCain is going to carry on with Bush policies. McCain has his own and has gone aginist Bush many times.
Actually just 10% of the time to be exact.
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if you, Obama, have nothing constructive to say about McCain, you should just shut up.
LOL.

I guess that's how Republicans would love elections, if the only candidate was Republican! I am sure they would love it if the whole election was just a conservative circlejerk of sentimental 'patriotic' propaganda ads and then McCain got 99.99% of the vote! LOL!

That's right folks, intertemporal just said that in a democracy we shouldn't criticize McCain in a democratic election. I guess that makes it pretty clear what conservatives think of the popular will, they think it's expendable and only rich elites should be in power.

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Its amazing that you blame Clinton's economic policies on the current economic condition. Why can't the administration be accountable for poor economic policies? If the recession started during the beginning of the Bush administration what was done to avert this disaster? By the way it was McCain that blamed the crisis on Obama. That made no sense at all.
the biggest mess so far is Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac

do you know Obama is ranked #2, among all politicians who received the most money from Fanny Mae? looks like OBAMA is the one who's gonna carry the failed economic policy

and actually, TODAY, McCain just went against Bush's AIG bail out plan, which OBAMA supported it.

tell me,, how is McCain going to carry the "failed" Bush economic policy?

democrats are so hard to communicate with,,, during Bush's admin... 911 attack, and world wide oil increase, then financial crisis.
if you want to blame this ALL on BUSH, then why is there Treasury,, Federal Reserve? ???

if you want to be biase, or you just want to be ignorant. up to you.
I do hope you, so called "democrats" will think rationally
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