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Old 09-24-2008, 07:35 AM
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Yeah Bush got everybody into panic mode....lol.

Do you watch the news,read a paper,look at Yahoo?

Now tho when it doesnt suit their argument the Dems have decided things arent a dire as their media has been portraying for MONTHS?

Go ahead let them fail...Ill be fine.

You folks will be here in a few months as this (*)(*)(*)(*) does trickle down blaming the Bush for letting them fail.Catch 22 I suppose.
Partisan, partisan, partisan, partisan. Jesus H. Christ! The situation we now face was not the caused exclusively by either party but rather both parties and a hell of a lot of Americans. That is a fact and NO ONE can prove or has proven otherwise. Beyond that it doesn't feckin matter. It is an American situation and a dire one at that. Partisan finger pointing is in no way going to contribute to the solution. God!

When the fit hits the shan, and IT WILL in one way or the other, it is going to involve and change the lives of all Americans. Blaming the feckin issue on one party or the other will not, cannot, mitigate the damage.
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Good point Sparky. Should the financial system meltdown you aren't going to care which stupid party you belong to because it isn't going to matter.
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Good point Sparky. Should the financial system meltdown you aren't going to care which stupid party you belong to because it isn't going to matter.
Exactly...oops so they were right about that meltdown eh? Too bad I was on the wrong side of that issue! More like panic will be the response. I actually am happy to see the parties work together on doing something.
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Well la ti da. Consider this: The "ordinary person" on the street is grossly ignorant when it comes to economics in general and the financial markets in particular. So you will have to pardon me if I tell Joe Ordinary to sit this one out. He has no idea what is going on and needs to just admit he knows nothing about it and can't really form an opinion. Unless he can tell me off the top of his head what a CDS is, how Freddie and Fannie f-ed up and how the financial system in this country works in some detail I'm simply not interested in his thoughts on the matter. Does he have any thoughts on the Super Collider he can share?
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Partisan, partisan, partisan, partisan. Jesus H. Christ! The situation we now face was not the caused exclusively by either party but rather both parties and a hell of a lot of Americans. That is a fact and NO ONE can prove or has proven otherwise. Beyond that it doesn't feckin matter. It is an American situation and a dire one at that. Partisan finger pointing is in no way going to contribute to the solution. God!

When the fit hits the shan, and IT WILL in one way or the other, it is going to involve and change the lives of all Americans. Blaming the feckin issue on one party or the other will not, cannot, mitigate the damage.

Why are quoting me? Look at the title of this thread and then lecture us about partisianship.Ive stated more or less what youve stated here as far as blame goes for the 'crisis'.

The issue is the delay of the bill and that unfortunately is a partisian problem.
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Exactly...oops so they were right about that meltdown eh? Too bad I was on the wrong side of that issue!
Only half wrong! The problem kept getting worse, so it went from "no meldown, just some minor pain" to "OK, no meltdown, but major pain", to "Oh crap, meltdown".

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700 billion is not a problem, put it on my Visa.
This is exactly what I was talking about. When did ANYONE say $700 billion is not a problem? I don't recall hearing that. But what you fail to properly grasp is that the while $700 billion is indeed a problem it's a far better problem than what we'll get if they don't do it. Sort of like someone giving you the choice of being stabbed in the leg or shot in the back of the head. Only if you choose Option B (which you seem to be doing), your death is drawn out and quite painful.
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This is exactly what I was talking about. When did ANYONE say $700 billion is not a problem? I don't recall hearing that. But what you fail to properly grasp is that the while $700 billion is indeed a problem it's a far better problem than what we'll get if they don't do it. Sort of like someone giving you the choice of being stabbed in the leg or shot in the back of the head. Only if you choose Option B (which you seem to be doing), your death is drawn out and quite painful.

Well, I would like to know more! As I said before, Allan Meltzer (economist Carnegie Melon) doesn't buy the theory that the crisis is imminent. His suggestion is that the treasury give the banks a big loan. Krugman, on the other hand, is of the opinion that the emergency is overstated (he has dubbed the Hank Paulson plan, the "hanky panky plan") and the U.S. taxpayer must be rewarded an equity stake in these banks. Where is your opinion on the scale of things?
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Paulson's plan has one major pro in my opinion and one major con. (Both of these have been addressed by Congress.)

Pro: His plan restores public confidence in the financial markets buy assuring them that their money will not disappear.

Con: It makes the Secretary of Commerce the single most powerful man in Government. One man will be in charge of $700bn and be able to spend it at his discretion. He doesn't even have to justify his doings to any higher authority.

The balance that needs to be found is this: Government needs to find a solution to bring back confidence in the market and at the same time regulate how/if/when financial institutions can be "bailed out." One man alone cannot hold all of this power....
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