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Old 09-27-2008, 04:53 AM
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Why are these sort of posts even allowed, arent these a bit spammy? No real substance, poorly formed sentences etc. *sighs* maybe this crap will be cleaned up soon
I agree... posts about Obama are known to cause nausea in most Americans and should not be allowed on this site.
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I agree... posts about Obama are known to cause nausea in most Americans and should not be allowed on this site.
See, what pisses me off is the right can't come up with intelligent agrguments about Obmas positions just more smear than anything, when you are ready to debate issues and not post bs like you have an tendancy to do please by all means start a thread and lets get rolling.
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That proves everything. We need to vote McCain and have a Christian yahoo as vice-president and a another white rich boy who is out of touch with the working class making decisions like...deregulation.
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Wow, unfortunately for you, Bush has already spent the last 8 years trying to turn us into Nazi Germany, so Obama can only change us AWAY from those types of policies. Don't believe me? Here are 14 absolute facts about Hitlers Fascist believes. If those doesn't scare you straight, then you are truly part of this countries demise. This is so scary and similar I can hardly believe it.

1. Fascism holds that the institution of the State is itself the most important entity in society, i.e. that the government is more important than individuals.

Are we starting to see more and more of that nowadays under Bush? Hmm...

2. Fascism holds that the purpose of the State is not just to uphold rights and document legalities, but that the purpose of the State is to organize society and guide the spiritual and economic development of the nation.

Nothing like using fear to 'organize' society. And eliminating class warfare has never been the current administrations motive. (sarcasm)

3. The goal of the fascist State is to, essentially, protect people by removing "harmful" freedoms, while preserving "essential" rights.

Of course, the 'christian' right doesn't ever push spiritual development on us or try to remove our 'harmful' freedoms.

4. The fascist State embarks on imperialism, not only through the traditional means of colonial territorial control, like that of the British Empire, but through the use of hegemony to directly or indirectly control nations with or without occupation.

Wow, let me add, the article for my source is not recent. But that whole, directly control nations with occupation thing sounds vaguely familiar. Can anyone help me with that one? Starts with an I and ends with a raq?

5. One of the ultimate agendas, and successes, of the fascists was to create a strong and stable middle class. They viewed the problems of Western society to be both "out of control" laissez-faire capitalism and its opposing force, Communism.

Seems like this is a great time for the Bush Administration to get rid of that pesky "out of control" laissez-faire capitalism, which was originally seen as a leftist viewpoint. Its almost like this financial collapse has been planned from the beginning of his term, just to grab government control of the market, JUST like Hitler did in Germany.

6. Fascism sought to use the power of the State to protect and to stabilize the economic system by bringing the major capitalists into a system of cooperation with each other so that economic conflict would be reduced and through their cooperation stability would be, and was, achieved.

Anyone else seeing this happen right now!!! Is it the slightest bit shocking to you?

7. In order to regulate industry and "promote the interests of society" the fascists merged the State with private industry. Fascism is essentially organized capitalism.

Wow, so Fuhrur Bush is getting his wish. This is a well played out 8 year term. Doing this bailout right before leaving office, IF he decides to leave.

8. Before WWII, Germany and Italy, began to promote science, mathematics, and engineering in school as a way to develop better scientists who could be employed to build better weapons and military corporations were given significant support from State funds.

They had to make sure that "No Child Was Left Behind". Yet another Bush policy.

9. However, both Italy and Germany ran up huge deficits (even before the war) which ended up severely hurting their economies by mid war.

Again, I'm noticing some eerie similarities here. Ridiculous spending at an unprecedented level, with the goal of completely forcing American citizens hands when it comes to taxation and absolute government control over self-created "emergency" policy. JUST like the 1930s

10. Fascism, in the social sense, is ultimately an affirmation of "traditional values". Fascism embodied much of traditional social ideology, such as "machismo", family values, religious faith, patriotism, social structure, honor, and traditional hard work.

Weren't all those things the basis of the Sarah Palin pick. Traditional values? Patriotism? Family values? Religious faith? Good ole hard work? How many freaking times did we have to see the GOP spout off all of the above list of social values during the RNC? They might as well just start playing Nazi propaganda films from 1933.

11. The fascists talked a lot about the building of strong moral character, hard work, and family values. Fascism was an ideology of order and obedience where people were expected to fall in line with leadership, and questioning and criticizing were looked at as the qualities of the decadent "liberals".

Yeah, you leftist 'haters'. I can't believe any of you would ever question someone like Sarah Palin, or John McCain, or Bush, or Cheney, etc. Shut up and let them do their job, of controlling your every breath. And you, MSM, you better keep your distance, or we'll pull the plug completely. Haters...

12. Above all, fascism was a movement that gained its support from a growing religious sentiment among the public.

I know we haven't seen that happen...I mean, the Christian right doesn't want to oppress us too badly, right?

13. Anti-semitism. Obviously, hate for Jews was very clear. But WHY did they hate the Jews. One of the primary reasons? Fascists saw that Jews wanted people to have equal pay for equal work. They sought liberal ideas that people should get money instead of make it. Of course Labor Unions were once considered "Jewish" institutions, even here in the states.

I've never heard any right wingers telling us to stop giving handouts to lazy's that don't do anything. There not 'too' proud of their rich republican brothers that landed face first in successful internet porn sites, search engines, or the good ole silver spoon. Of course, the poor are their own problem. Too bad you can't come up with a 'solution' to that one George.

14. What exactly were the charges against the Jews. The charges were that Jews promoted liberalism, equality, communism, socialism, secularism, are anti-patriotic, greedy, liars, and thieves, who control banking and finance and have corrupted capitalism.

So the Jews biggest 'crime' was being liberal and wanting equality (or a fair chance for equality). I guess us Dem's need to be sitting on our front porches ready to catch the train, huh?

So, Obama completely flunks the fascist test. But after 8 years of a Bush administration, he's nearly 100% (ok, so the anti-semitism is not exactly hate of the Jews, just their values). Think about how many of those things were NOT on Americas list just 8 years ago, that are present now. I hope it scares you Pubs, and Dems. Its REALITY, right now. Its how the Nazis were founded. And they weren't founded on hate rhetoric. They were schmoozed into thinking that this type of thinking was truly best for their country. Of course, fear played a nice part as well. Pubs, are you still feeling justified by any of your beliefs?

Anyone want to go to a long summer camp? You just have to concentrate while your there.

I don't have time to refute most your points, but I could.

Fascism had nothing to do with religion,it was nationalism and trying to compare fascism to GWB is waay of the mark to the point that it's obvious that you have serious issues with perspective.
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Nazism was a unique setup that encompassed the worst of the left and the right.

Bad left traits - Huge central govt in charge of everything. Everyone worked for the govt, no freedom, no choice - Just as the current left wants for America.

Bad right traits - Imperialistic policies, overbearing military presence everywhere. Just as the current right in America wants.

There is no comparison to either current US party. Nazism was a twisted mix of the two.

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I find it interesting that many American-Cubans that are old enough to remember say that Obama sounds alot like Castro did durring his take over of power.
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I find it interesting that many American-Cubans that are old enough to remember say that Obama sounds alot like Castro did durring his take over of power.
And that comparison is every bit as valid as the Hitler one.

Hitler was a good speaker. Castro was a good speaker. Obama is a good speaker.

So if you're a good speaker, you're a totalitarian dictator wannabe?

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Godwin's Law

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form.
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I don't have time to refute most your points, but I could.

Fascism had nothing to do with religion,it was nationalism and trying to compare fascism to GWB is waay of the mark to the point that it's obvious that you have serious issues with perspective.
You're completely wrong. I'm not talking about the 1942 Nazi's. I'm talking about the 1933 Nazi's. The ones that happily and excitedly handed all of their freedoms over to Hitler because he promised religious superiority for Christians, economic prosperity, a dominant military presence, and national pride in "the greatest country in the world". Those things are ALL spouted from the rooftops by the current GOP, and its been their standard of leadership. But when you go beyond those vote earning philosophies, and look at actual policy, you see that just like Hitler, Bush has invaded a country through deception with the purpose of "conforming" them to our government philosophy. Hitler, like Bush is now, took over the markets and corporations by bailing out the capitalists when they failed. Hitler, like Bush is now, spread fear of Jews (in W's case Democrats and terrorists), liberals, and communists in order to convince voters and legislators that the executives need to take complete power of decision and buck traditional political means urgently. The resemblances are closer than at anytime in the history of the US. I've never seen this happen in our country, and you should be absolutely worried about it continuing.
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Nazism was a unique setup that encompassed the worst of the left and the right.

Bad left traits - Huge central govt in charge of everything. Everyone worked for the govt, no freedom, no choice - Just as the current left wants for America.

Bad right traits - Imperialistic policies, overbearing military presence everywhere. Just as the current right in America wants.

There is no comparison to either current US party. Nazism was a twisted mix of the two.
Your description of American 'leftists' is completely untrue. Show me more than 10 'leftists' who advocate anything of the kind. It is the Republicans who constantly try to destroy our freedoms, by destroying the Constitution. Health-care is the only new government institution Democrats discuss. Furthermore, it is Republicans who consistently try to broaden federal executive power.

So actually, you have only reaffirmed claims the Republican party has become a fascist institution.

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