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Old 09-29-2008, 10:18 PM
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Yes. It's absolutely clear who is at fault for the mess that led to this bailout. And for the worst Speaker of the House in my lifetime---Ms. Nancy Pelosi---to have the audacity to stand up there and blame Republicans and the Bush administration for HER party's utter failure, is absolutely the lowest of the low! The Dems not only caused it---they are not willing to fix it.

This is THE WORST House Majority and Speaker of the House EVER!!!!

This is what the public needs to see and see it over and over and over again. We need to throw these bums out!! And Raines, Johnson, Gorelick and every other Democrat heading up these failures need to repay ALL that taxpayer money that they took from us in the form of bonuses and salaries.
Nancy Pelosi? It was the Republicans who voted down the Bailout. And in the end McCain the party leader is so confusing because of his own desire to jump on whatever is politically expediant he can't help but misdirect them.

How can Mcain direct his own party into regulating any institution when he contradicts himself over and over.?

He's a political monstrosity.

He would eventually achieve his ultimate goal. He would privitize Fannie and Freddi. Giving them free reign to be just as irresponsible as all the other investment firms and subprime lenders. In short his privitization scheme would mean no true reform.


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"As far as a need for additional regulations are concerned, I think that depends on the legislative agenda and what the Congress does to some degree, but I am a fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated, not just a moratorium.
I've thought more on the area of deregulation rather than a moratorium".

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Old 09-29-2008, 10:50 PM
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Typical GOPhers - blame Pelosi when their own lame duck president and lame duck party nominee can't get their GOPhers in line
Typical Dems---blaming Republicans when they are in the Minority AS WELL as when they are in the Majority. Odd, isn't it?

Well, thing is----it doesn't pass the smell test. The Democrats are in the Majority of the House AND the Senate. In the House, some 40% of the Democrats didn't vote for this Bailout bill either. All Pelosi needed was something like 13 votes and she couldn't even get it from her own party!!! That's truly pathetic.

Dems are the Majority, Pelosi is the Speaker of the House (the leader) and they clearly couldn't get it done and sought to blame the Bush administration (their favorite "whipping boy") for it.

Sorry, Nancy---you got stand up and take it like a man. You FAILED. BIG TIME. AND in many, many ways.
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Nancy Pelosi? It was the Republicans who voted down the Bailout. And in the end McCain the party leader is so confusing because of his own desire to jump on whatever is politically expediant he can't help but misdirect them.

How can Mcain direct his own party into regulating any institution when he contradicts himself over and over.?

He's a political monstrosity.

He would eventually achieve his ultimate goal. He would privitize Fannie and Freddi. Giving them free reign to be just as irresponsible as all the other investment firms and subprime lenders. In short his privitization scheme would mean no true reform.


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"As far as a need for additional regulations are concerned, I think that depends on the legislative agenda and what the Congress does to some degree, but I am a fundamentally a deregulator. I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated, not just a moratorium.
I've thought more on the area of deregulation rather than a moratorium".

__John McCain
I really wished Dems would read up and watch something besides the mainstream press who is in bed with Obama right now. It was NOT the Republicans who voted it down. Despite the spin you hear from the Democrat leadership and the press who are in bed with them....here's what the ACTUAL vote was: 228-205

The vote split both parties, whose members had been barraged all week with angry messages from constituents who opposed the bill. Among Democrats, 140 supported the bill and 95 voted against. Republicans voted 65 in favor and 133 against. One Republican, retiring Rep. Jerry Weller of Illinois, did not vote.

Got that???? 95 Democrats voted AGAINST the bill. That's 40% of Democrats voted AGAINST the bill. Didn't hear too much about that today, did ya?

42% of Republicans voted against it----close to the same percentages of Dems voting against it.

So, PUHLEEZE, stop with the Democrat mantra that it's all the Republicans fault. Because that's a big fat lie.

Pelosi and the Dem Majority failed. Big Time.
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McCain's advisors are mostly all lobbyists (now ex-lobbyists ) from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Does that mean the extreme right doesn't care about the facts, or doesn't know them?

Ultra conservatives are in the minority, thank God. Much worse than ultra-liberals, who are merely annoying at times.
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Can't you guys see that partisan bickering is what those in power want? America's a country that belongs to all of you, not just one side. What will placing blame do except distract you further from what's really going on?
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This is an unambiguous TOTAL indictment of the Democratic Party. THEIR fingers are all over the historic financial mess we are currently in. Republicans tried again and again to tighten regulatory control over Fannie & Freddie and the Democrats said over & over "There is nothing wrong with Freddie & Fannie" and that Raines was doing a "great job" and that America had nothing to worry about, so we should just ignore the warnings of "those mean Republicans".

The Democrats are 100% responsible for this mess.
You nailed it Jaaaman!
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You are completely blind sided by the fact that no party can point fingers at the other party. Both in some way contributed to the current economic crisis that we are involved in. Whether the republicans attempted to intervene or was it the deregulation that was so heavily lobbied for? Neither party can step away without carrying their fair share of the blame.
Complete and utter BS. It was the CLINTON Administration that Deregulated the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae Mortgage Giants. The thinking back then was that they wanted Painters, Tile Setters, Plumbers and other small, self employed persons that couldn't get Mortgages without huge down payments to be able to get mortgages. A Noble Effort yes, but the problem was that when McCain blew the whistle back in 2004, that the system was being abused, the Democrats and YES SOME Republicans, were on the take and wanted to keep the status Quo.

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McCain's advisors are mostly all lobbyists (now ex-lobbyists ) from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. Does that mean the extreme right doesn't care about the facts, or doesn't know them?

Ultra conservatives are in the minority, thank God. Much worse than ultra-liberals, who are merely annoying at times.
And YET that didn't stop him from trying to put more oversight on the industry. If anything it PROVES that McCain isn't influenced by Lobbyist as much as Obama and his Democrat buddies that did EVERYTHING they could to stop McCain and the Republicans.
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Pelosi and the Dem Majority failed. Big Time.
So how does that explain all the GOP votes AGAINST the bailout?
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So these hearings were from 2004. In 2004 the Senate consisted of 51 R's and 48 D's with 1 I caucusing with the Democrats. The House had between 225 and 227 R's with between 206 and 207 D's. So my question is this, where were the Republicans with there majority to save us all ?? They had control of the Senate, House, and White House...yet nothing was done. The same holds true for the 2007-2008 Congress (minus the WH). The Democrats had control and yet did nothing. There is enough blame here to go around. For either side to not accept it simply justifies the approval rating Congress has held for the past 4 years. And speaks volumes to the point that people are too busy fixing the blame rather than fixing the problem. (Kudos to McCain for using my exact words earlier today.)

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Show me ONE example where the Democrats, as the Majority OR Minority, introduced a bill to regulate the GSE's and Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and were BLOCKED by Republicans.

Because I can give you an example of the reverse.

I'll wait for YOUR example.
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