"What I understood is that what Sinclair was going to run was clearly a Documentary. A historical documentary. It wasn't going to be on a NEWS program."

ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE THEY ARE PLUGGING THIS PIECE AS AN "upcoming special news event featuring the topic of Americans held as prisoners of war in Vietnam."

"I hope vets take notice and come out to the polls in droves. I think they will."

I hope so too. Did you know that there are a lot of Vietnam Vets that protested the war? Did you know there are a lot of Vets that support Kerry? Did you know that? Good.

Also, the Dan Rather thing is not a good comparison. The example of Fahrenheit 9/11 is more comparable. Honestly, how would you feel if Sinclair was doing all the same things but about 9/11, and was using Fahrenheit 9/11 as the "source" and calling it a "special news event"? Seriously, I would like to know if that would be ok with you.

P.S. I'm not defending Dan Rather either. He was wrong. But the two are not a good comparison.

"Actually, you are ALL wrong..." HOW SO?

"Sinclair is and has been selling "Stolen Honor"" WHERE? DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THEIR SITE ABOUT IT.

[quote="byrdie";p="80817"]"What I understood is that what Sinclair was going to run was clearly a Documentary. A historical documentary. It wasn't going to be on a NEWS program."

So, it's just the word "new" that bothers you. If it said "documentary" in place of "news" you'd be okay with it, eh?

"I hope vets take notice and come out to the polls in droves. I think they will."

Of course there are SOME. But Bush has 70+% of the vet vote. So, if they come out in droves, it benefits him. Just as....even though Bush has doubled his support among blacks, if they come out in droves, it benefits Kerry.....because the vast majority support him. No different.


That's your opinion. I think it's a great comparison. One is done under the cover of a national once well-respected anchor. The liberal media gets to spout their crapola all the time. Let one conservative want some time on air...and all heck breaks loose.

As far as how I would feel about Fahrenheit 9/11 being shown? MM got tons of free air time to spout his views. Clips were shown. He got full hours with the liberal media. He was given a place of Honor at the Democrat National Convention....right next to former president Jimmy Carter. So.....I ask you.......how much free air time with the liberal media have these former POW's been given?

I can tell you: were it not for the likes of Sinclair Broadcasting.....they would be getting NONE.....ZERO.....ZILCH.....NADA.

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It would be more accurate. Most documentaries are told from a perspective (including this one from what I hear.) News is not supposed to have one so people trust it more as fact. So yes if you change the word News to Documentary, it changes how people look see it and process it in their minds.

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Ahhh, helllooooo - Ever heard of THE SWIFT BOAT VETS????? I heard more about those wackos then all of Michael Moore's airtime put together. Not too mention, in July and August, these SwiftBoat Liars clearly had an impact on people's perspective of Kerry - whether their views were fact or fiction. So don't start jumping on the Liberal Media bandwagon, because it doesn't hold water.

So quit your whining JP5, everyone has had there fair share of pulling punches, and free airtime to do it. But if you can't tell the difference between a Documentary, News, or propoganda - then I suggest you try watching something OTHER than Fox News because your brain has been officially fried.

oh and BTW, Referring to people as "Biatches" isn't exactly a convincing or persuasive argument these days - especially when this Rap slang is coming from a 50+ Texan Lady!!!!

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[quote="JP5";p="80842"]JP5..MM put his documentary in the theatres and charged the public to go see it. He did not use public airwaves. If Mr Carlton Sherwood wants to do the same, I will be the first in line to support him. Find a distributor, advertise it, put it in AMC and I will go see it.

Why did Sinclair refuse to show the Ted Koppel NIGHTLINE reading of the dead soldiers? I believe that was actually NEWS, and not a documentary with "spin" that has been available on the NET for almost 7 weeks.

Do you know why Lieberman spoke up? Not because he was upset at them showing the film but because they called it a "NEWS PROGRAM"!! That is what was "crass" about it.

First of all don't try to define me by some pigeon hole term because you cannot. My political and social order believes run a spectrum that crosses ideological envelopes of both of our currently prominent political parties.
Therefore to attempt to pigeon hole me or most thinking people into Liberal or Conservative is fundamentally fallacious.

To try as you do to paint someone with an ideology based on one specific issue is wrong and is replete with folly. You further attempt to place an inaccurate or false statement or belief on someone and then attempt to identify a person, with whom you disagree with, using a term that you view as a pejorative. You further attempt to corral everyone with whom you disagree with into one homogenized glob even though they are not of the same ideological group. Example of your falacious and inaccurate rants “Not only that.....their executives have been threatened in very vile ways. You liberals and Democrats should be so proud: freedom of speech thwarted yet again on your behalf and through your vile and threatening actions. And your victims: former POW's. How proud you must be”

“ Sad that you are so ASHAMED of what you are. I'm PROUD to say I'm conservative. Too bad Dems can't bring themselves to even use the word, LIBERAL. I guess it's a dirty word.....even to them.

BTW, Sinclair is STILL showing a good portion of it. So...”

How was free speech “thwarted” ? And what was the threat to it’s executives ?

It was Sinclair that attempted to thwart free speech by trying to force it’s stations to air an opinion piece as “news”. News is supposed to be as factual and free of opinion as can be.

As far as POW’s speaking, they speak all of the time. I have seen them of HARD BALL, on Vanity and Combs, on Norvile, on virtually every talking head show there is except LARRY King because he has gone Hollywood and he has not met any murderer that he doesn't like.

You don’t even know what conservative means. Do you even know what fiscal conservatism is ? I doubt it because if you did your sure as blankaty blank would not support W because he is no fiscal conservative. All you have exhibited as knowing is what you find on the RNC website. And once you mangle that it becomes basically BALONEY !!!!!!!!!
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Yep, that was editorial opinion. Just like your's was, and Sinclair's will be.

You can say this all you want. JP's opinion is just as valid as yours is.
Again, your opinion is just as valid as JP's. Who gets to call it folly or false? You seem to think you do since you feel offended. Oh how convenient. Something tells me that even if it were labeled an opinion piece, Liberals and specifically the Kerry campaign would still have had a problem with that. The Democratic party should just drop the Donkey and adopt the Double Standard as its party symbol.
They don't get nearly as much voice by the liberal media that people who denegrate the Bush administration does. (look at Kitty Kelley) Any criticism of the Bush administration is immediately showcased, while writers of a New York Times best seller like this one is still being shunned. Kitty Kelley writes a book of lies and NBC's Today show gives her three days of coverage. These guys have yet to be on their show. Your clear willingness to overlook this is why you get labeled as a liberal too.
You're addressing an accountant who is also a Republican. I doubt you can get any more conservative than that.
So since you decide to judge him negatively by only one aspect of his administration, you expect her to? Gimme' a break.
Not necessarily the most convincing argument, but hey... whatever floats your boat.

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01 [quotef100supersabr wrote (View Post):
to attempt to pigeon hole me or most thinking people into Liberal or Conservative is fundamentally fallacious.
You can say this all you want. JP's opinion is just as valid as yours is.
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Of course everyone has the right to be wrong, and everyone has the righ to tell the other person how wrong them are. Otherwise all on this board would be bored.

02 syntax wrote /displayed You want talk double standard ok. Republicans called union money influx into politics "special interest"; and out of the other side of their mouths tey called corporate influx of political money "free speech". Who has the double standard ?
03- Flatulus wrote/displayed I first heard about, read about, and saw The Swifties on what you can "the Liberal Media". They got all kinds of exposure and time to express their opinions for free before their ads even ran. Not only am I not a fan of Kitty Kelley, I derisively refer to her as Kitty Litter. Stolen Honor is just a work of raw anti Kerry propaganda.

You and other hardcore ideologues obviously have a problem with any media venue that does not screen 24/7 that Kerry is a dirt bag, and that Bush is a great man and a saint. Too bad that is just not reality.

04-Syntax wrote Some hyperbole on my end but seriously what doea being an accountant has to do with this discussion. I don't think that debits and credits have an ideology. So what's your point ?
05 sytax wrote [f100supersabr wrote (View Post):

Do you even know what fiscal conservatism is ? I doubt it because if you did your sure as blankaty blank would not support W because he is no fiscal conservative.
So since you decide to judge him negatively by only one aspect of his administration, you expect her to? Gimme' a break. quote]

My point here is that there is virtually no one who has the ability to think and actually thinks who is a homogenous 'Liberal' or 'Conservative'.
For someone to say that Democrats hate and want to prevent POW's from tspeaking out is just as stupid and wrong as saying that Republicans want to and let children strave just because the "free lunch for the bunch" program didn't get as large of an increase as some people believed it should.




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