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Old 10-25-2004, 05:50 AM
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Default Explosives stolen in April 2003

Big news in the NY times regarding stolen explosives, yet its old news. These explosives were stolen sometime in April 2003. When our engineers found explosives they would detonate them so they
could not be used. These were stolen early in the war, probably before
our guys could get to them. But it does prove one thing. Sadam was
planning to build weapons of mass destruction. These explosives are
used to initiate the chain reaction needed in nuclear weapons, it was just a matter of time before he got the rest of the ingredients needed.
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Old 10-25-2004, 05:58 AM
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Conventional explosives, absolutely legal, just because they can be used to initiate the chain reaction does not mean they have anything to do with Nuclear weapons.

You sleepy wake up every day and come up with new lies (which are quite silly and obvious though). You better go back to sleep.

PS I wonder how many american troops were killed by the stolen explosives, how many lives of our soldiers could have been saved if it was not for Bush's incompetence.
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...what humanitarian purpose Hussein would have used these explosives for?

How many Kurds can you kill with that much boom? Hrm.

In any event, the idea that these could have been used for nukes is neither silly, nor a lie. We'll never know for certain if that was the intent.
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In any event, the idea that these could have been used for nukes is neither silly, nor a lie. We'll never know for certain if that was the intent.
The intent was certainly NOT to use it for nuclear weapons cause Saddam did not have any and did not have any plans to get any. Of course Saddam had stockpiles of conventional weapons, every country does, it was never prohibited and it was never an issue. We did not go into Iraq to remove AK-47 and dynamite, did we.

And the idea is silly. If it was possible to use matches or a lighter to initiate the chain reaction would that mean that the existence of matches and lighters in Iraq proves Saddam was planning a mushroom cloud in LA? Get a clue.
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The intent was certainly NOT to use it for nuclear weapons cause Saddam did not have any and did not have any plans to get any.
Ow. I thought you were over your St. Saddam phase. Silly me.

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And the idea is silly. If it was possible to use matches or a lighter to initiate the chain reaction would that mean that the existence of matches and lighters in Iraq proves Saddam was planning a mushroom cloud in LA? Get a clue.
I have a clue. I know what the material in question can be used for, and I'm not so blinded by hatred for Bush that it skews for me every bleeding event in the entire world. Wake up the fact that your buddy Hussein was a genocidal dictator, and there's absolutely no fecking way you can sit there and claim, with a straight face, that you just "know", with your vast psychic powers that seem to be shared by all ignorant libs, that he would never want to use these explosives for mass destruction.
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Default I'll make it real simple for you.

It was conventional weapons. It was not banned. It was under Saddam's control. Bush failed to secure the explosives. Insurgents use them now to attack and kill our troops.

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It was conventional weapons. It was not banned.
You're right so far...

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It was under Saddam's control.
I think you should look into it a bit further. It was actually under IAEA jurisdiction. Your quoted statement is a basic mistake that shows you don't really know what you're talking about.

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Bush failed to secure the explosives.
Welcome to a war. Things don't always go the way we'd like.

I love these shrill "Bush didn't [insert combat action here]!" arguments. I think he was a little too busy running everything else to personally strap on the gear and take Al Qaqaa.

How would you have preferred the material secured? I'm honestly curious as to whether you have the slightest inkling of a workable plan.

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Insurgents use them now to attack and kill our troops.
How'd you verify this? Did you type the explosive material in IEDs? Do you head one of the FBI's forensic teams operating in Iraq? Are you in with the insurgents? What?

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Yes. Where did you obtain these vast psychic powers?

Don't try to get combative with me when your premise is bollocks to begin with.
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"This is a high explosives risk, but not necessarily a proliferation risk," one senior Bush administration official said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency publicly warned about the danger of these explosives before the war, and after the invasion it specifically told United States officials about the need to keep the explosives secured, European diplomats said in interviews last week. Administration officials say they cannot explain why the explosives were not safeguarded,

The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the same type of material,

The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Sunday. United Nations weapons inspectors had monitored the explosives for many years

international nuclear inspectors had kept a watch on the material, and even sealed and locked some of it.
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...I take it you can't answer my questions. Anything to attack Bush, I guess.

Tell me, Ken, with your vast amount of military experience, how exactly were we to secure the place? Has our military developed Star Trek-style transporters since I left? Could we have just beamed in security?

Or did we have to slog our way across the country, leaving an unfortunate but unavoidbale window of opportunity for the theft of weapons?
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Default I wonder why the IAEA monitored these explosives

if they had no nuclear ramifications, and, if Ken Lay has hypothesized, Saddam had no nuclear ambitions.

Curious, that.

What is also curious is how this story is being recycled AGAIN by the mainstream newspapers just in time for the election, in spite of having been covered, extensively, a year ago.

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