Well its just about the ONLY THING you guys have left to go on.

Well uhhhh he had WMDs.......nope......Well uhh he had ties to Al Qaeda..........nope, and Saudis have HUNDREDS so why not invade them? Oh yeah, I remember.....OIL.......so uhh last resort......Saddam killed his own people we must free them!!!!........so lets blow half of them up in the process and then declare them free even though they are still dying and Iraq is in a worse place than it was before!!!


You pro-war people.....logic so full of holes you could drive a truck through one of them.

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Most of you seem to be up in arms that the UN has done nothing. Perhaps its for the better of the people of Nepal? I hope they achieve victory, with the civil war, and with achieving a real communist state rather than a dictatorship.

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Well, perhaps you need to listen to Bush's press conferences. Then again, considering how ruthless Bush is toward the English language, your aversion to watching him babble is understandable.

Who can possible be expected to keep track of the reasons?

I have been saying it for a long time.

Perhaps Bush should put American troops in and challenge the killers to "bring it on."

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I was excited about the revolution in Nepal at first, i thought that this might be the time a true communist state was formed. Unfortunately it seems that people are being forced to join the party, forced to fight, foirced to march and many who who refuse to are killed. It looks like just another dictatorship. Having said this the communists are bound to bring a better Nepal but with current state Nepal's in, the only way is up.

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I was unaware, I don't know much about this Revolution in Nepal. However even if the revolution is not tainted by the things you just listed, I fear that to westernized news organization would not cover it fairly anyhow. Unless you have a better source than BBC? Anyways, what do you think about the 40 year civil war in Colombia?

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The 40 year war in Columbia - From what i have heard the actions of the Communists are questionable but there are fighting for a more than just cause, as both liberal and conservative governments have proved equally corrupt and selfish. Unfortunately i think the Cartels will play both sides for profit and i don't see a near end to the struggle. Sorry i don't know more, there isn't allot of info i can find about Columbia's history. Know of anywhere i can find out more?

Nepal - The second source i put down will provide the war from the point of view of the party.

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I know you may think of this distinction as semantics, but let's be precise here. Iraq indeed had WMD's, we just can't find them. The fact that they're not found does not negate that Saddam deployed them against Iran, and the Kurds, which we have dead bodies with chemical burns on them to prove that. Saddam's army trained for Chem warfare and the fact that our troops uncovered cahes of Chem suits and atropine are two more red flags that are pretty hard for you to ignore. Wrong again. The 9/11 Commission report, as well as Bill Gertz's book and Frank Miniter's book all show links between the two.
As much as you would like to use that as proof that GWB is bloodthirsty, you can't. Our reluctance at going to war and/or invading anyone we think had ties to al Qaeda is proof that we employ other methods if possible and we don't use war or invasion as a first option. We've worked diplomatically with the Saudis and it's beginning to bring about changes in their society. It's not working as fast as you or I would like, but it's a start. Would you prefer we went to war there too?
As for theories with holes in them... I think you need to start plugging yours first. I'll be waiting.... in the truck.

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First off, we (the United States of America) sold Saddam the very weapons which he used against the Kurds. Sound familiar? Kinda like how we funded the taliban to deter Russia? Anyways, the simple fact is that Saddam had no WMD's. "We can't find them?" I smell bs in that statement, we can't find anything which someone does not have. The CIA confirmed that he had no weapons recently anyhow.

Stop twisting the truth, the 9/11 commussion confimed that the closest tie between saddam and Al Qaeda was in a region of Iraq which Saddam little control over. Fundimentally, the Al Qaeda organization was opposed to Saddam, and considered him and infidel.

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Please provide proof of this. It's a very popular song that is sung by the left, but I haven't seen any proof. I have looked myself, and I keep coming up with France, China, and Russia. I was wondering if maybe you had something that could finally shed some light on this subject.
The exact statement was that they could not find them. They cannot account for them does not prove they never existed. There is proof that they did exist in the past, which is conveniently overlooked time after time by the left. If they're in Syria, then it stands to reason the CIA didn't find them in Iraq. If they're buried in the desert, then perhaps the CIA didn't look in the right places. They could have been loaded on those trucks that are shown on the news now and taken out of the country. The Duelfer report is used by the left to crow about the fact that they weren't found and somehow gets twisted into "they never existed".

I'm not twisting the truth. You yourself just said there was a tie in the previous paragraph. To say there were NO ties is a lie. Anyone who reads the 9/11 Commission report, or the Duelfer report will realize that what you just stated was only for PR's sake. There was cooperation between Saddam and al Qaeda on the logistical and support level (behind the scenes).

They may not have revealed their ultimate plans to Saddam, but they were allowed to operate in Iraq. While he was in power, no one got into the country without Saddam allowing it. al Qaeda was all over the place. Iraqi weapons specialists were teaching al Qaeda operatives chemical and biological weapons theory on manufacture and deployment.

You should research this more. It's an eye opener.

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Headless-Pixie:

http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0104a/colombia.html
Pretty interesting information there on the Colombians.

Here's a full timeline, including refrences, this 'sheds light' on how we aided Saddam obtain WMD's long ago. Also, "logistical"? The fact that he did not aid that terrorist organization is obvious, sorry. I'm going to go ahead and ignore anything else said about that, perhaps you should do your homework. Anyways, enjoy the timeline.

February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1]

December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9]

1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4]

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15]

November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14]

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16]

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1]

December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15]

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19]

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2]

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10]

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3]

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7]

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13]

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12]

August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8]

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11]

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14]

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5]

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18]

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. [7]

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. [4]


References:
1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002

2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91

3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002

4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002

5. ABC Nightline. June9, 1992

6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002

Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994

7. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State

8. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear

9. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002

10. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991

11. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002

12. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com

13. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate

14. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal

15. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992

16. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair

17. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez

18. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986

19. Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a...rming_iraq.php

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