But again - It was secured by the IAEA NOT the Iraqis - the materials technically belonged to the UN, and the Iraqis had to request permission to use it. Saddam did not have his hand in the Al Qa Qaa cookie jar - so to speak - I included links in my other post or better yet, start googling Catz, you'll see what I mean. This was a weapons facility secured by the IAEA but neglected by the US military because it was put as a level 2 priority by the Bush adminstration.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/301/...unit_at:.shtml

(If you don't like that link, I have others)

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Thank you for pointing that out, Glowdog

You're right, I misspoke when I said by the time the 101st unit arrived because the fact is Nobody knows when it was looted after the 3rd infiltry saw it. Which demonstrates the incompetence of the Bush administration - how can a weapons facility be looted during a time of war and No one knows when, who or how?

I bet you Bush knows where the Oil fields are.... funny how no insugents have been able to burn them - because Good ol' Bush made sure they were secure

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PUtting a seal over a door and then leaving isn't "securing" dangerous materials, in spite of what IAEA may call it.

Catz

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It was secure by the time the IAEA were told to leave by the US military and teh Bush admin did nothing to ensure it was secure - That's the point

Quote:

The explosives were housed in storage bunkers at Al-Qaqaaa. U.N. nuclear inspectors placed fresh seals over the bunker doors in January 2003. The inspectors visited Al-Qaqaa for the last time on March 15, 2003 and reported that the seals were not broken therefore, the weapons were still there at the time. The team then pulled out of the country in advance of the invasion

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Lt. Gen. William Boykin, the Pentagon's deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence, said that on May 27, 2003, a U.S. military team specifically looking for weapons went to the site but did not find anything with IAEA stickers on it.

http://www.canada.com/news/world/sto...1-74215300c10a

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When troops from the 101st Airborne Division's 2nd Brigade arrived at the Al-Qaqaa base a day or so after other coalition troops seized Baghdad on April 9, 2003, there were already looters throughout the facility, Lt.-Col. Fred Wellman, deputy public affairs officer for the unit, told The Associated Press. The soldiers "secured the area they were in and looked in a limited amount of bunkers to ensure chemical weapons were not present in their area," Wellman wrote in an e-mail message to The Associated Press. "Bombs were found but not chemical weapons in that immediate area. "Orders were not given from higher to search or to secure the facility or to search for HE type munitions, as they (high-explosive weapons) were everywhere in Iraq," he wrote. The 101st Airborne was apparently at least the second military unit to arrive at Al-Qaqaa after the U.S.-led invasion began. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told the Washington Post that the 3rd Infantry Division reached the site around April 3, fought with Iraqi forces and occupied the site. They left after two days, headed to Baghdad, he told the newspaper for Wednesday's editions

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that putting a sticker on a door is "securing explosives" to the IAEA.

Wow, how long do you think that sticker stopped Hussein when he decided to move those explosives when U.S. forces crossed the border?

What day did U.S. forces enter the country? What day was the IAEA "told to leave the country by military forces"?

Let's see some actual facts from you.

The reason that IAEA reported that they frequently VISITED the facility is because they weren't stationed on site. The only thing "securing" those explosives was a sticker on the door to show the door had not been opened.

Ye gods.

Catz

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Catz, once again - your fingers are typing but NO PROOF from you in sight. I am not taking your word as law, Catz - time to put up or shut up. I have included ample resources for you to review in this thread alone.

As soon as you do, I would be happy to resume this debate

So again (everybody now)

LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???

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If you read it closely, you'll note that it specifically defines "sealing" the explosives as using a sticker to ensure the door isn't tampered with.


Catz

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What the heck was stickers supposed to do? Why didn't the IAEA destroy these weapons? What good did they think would come of keeping them intact? I'd say any gross negligence was theirs......

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"LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???
LINKS, SOURCES, QUOTES, PROOF???"

I believe that would be the burden of those making up these bogus charges. You have to prove something is correct, not disprove it isn't. Lurch is out there making Howard Dean like remarks with absolutely ZERO proof. He only reads the NY Times each morning, gets his marching orders, and pukes out whatever dribble the Times has reported. The Times--they were the ones who fired Liberal editor Howard Raines for using the ostensibly object news pages of the Times to crusade against the war, along with his defense of known plagiarism by Times reporter Jayson Blair.

What a fish-wrap!

PS

In no Times article do they cite the date these explosives were found missing. It is only by implication do they endeavor to make the reader believe it occurred under US occupation.

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What I stated in my original post, at is repeatedly ignored is the fact that the IAEA sealed the explosives, had it protected UNTIL they were asked to leave.

So I put it back to you as again - no proof, link or sources

Can YOU proove that the weapons went missing before or after the 3rd infiltry division arrived to Al Qa Qaa on April 4, 2003?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...0/s1229343.htm

Until YOU can proove that, to say that IAEA was grossly incompetent is inaccurate.

To say that the Bush administration is negligent and incompetent because they don't even know WHEN the weapons were lost, stolen, looted IS accurate - specifically, when this a weapons facility that they were well aware of and was under control since 1991.

So once again - put up or shut up, Sunshine - your stories don''t wash

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