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Old 11-04-2004, 08:33 AM
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Default Hungary to withdraw its troops from Iraq

http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...ll_delay_exit/

This is what happens when our "coalition" partners have populations that oppose the war in Iraq by 2-1 margins.

This is an American war, and the proposed solution — training Iraqi forces to police themselves — remains a long way off. We will be there, alone, for a long time.

Do you still think world opinion doesn't matter?
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Old 11-04-2004, 09:07 AM
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Some of these smaller countries agreed to stay for a certain length of time.....through the Iraqi elections......and from their point of view, they have finished their obligations at that point. But....WE ARE NOT ALONE THERE. Tony Blair will be with us to see this thing through. And so will Italy's Berlusconi. Many of the world's leaders made positive comments yesterday regarding Bush's re-election and their desire to work with him on the war on terrorism. Even if they don't agree with Iraq, they want to be on-board with Bush on the rest of the world's concerns and problems.
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Default The point being....

... they agreed to limited commitments because their populations were so opposed to the war that broader committments were impossible.

Supporters of the war have repeatedly pointed to the "30-nation" coalition as evidence of global support for the war. It was pretty ridiculous even at the time, but now that that coalition is shrinking, you say "oh, it was just a limited commitment all along."

My point being, support for the war in Iraq is neither broad nor deep. Never has been. In fact, the opposite is true. Half of this country opposes the war, and the rest of the world opposes it by a 2-1 margin. Including Britain and Italy, our last remaining significant help.

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Hungary had troops in Iraq?

But this was funny:
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Those withdrawals have been partly offset by the redeployment of about 850 British Black Watch troops from their southern post to near Baghdad, and possible plans for an increase in troops from Georgia, Albania, and Thailand.
Now that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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... they agreed to limited commitments because their populations were so opposed to the war that broader committments were impossible.

Supporters of the war have repeatedly pointed to the "30-nation" coalition as evidence of global support for the war. It was pretty ridiculous even at the time, but now that that coalition is shrinking, you say "oh, it was just a limited commitment all along."

My point being, support for the war in Iraq is neither broad nor deep. Never has been. In fact, the opposite is true. Half of this country opposes the war, and the rest of the world opposes it by a 2-1 margin. Including Britain and Italy, our last remaining significant help.

By the way JP5, isn't it time to change your sig? Or are you moving to Massachussetts?
Yeah, I forgot....about the sig. Thanks for reminding me.

Regarding the rest of your post. Why are you so surprised that it's the United States and Britiain doing the hard work of the world here? It's ALWAYS that way. Just look at the Sudan now. How many other countries do you see stepping up and doing something about it? NONE. How many countries did you see step in regarding Kosovo? How many other countries do you see trying to resolve the Palestinian/Israeli problems? NONE.

And yes....you are correct. Just under 1/2 of this country and most of the rest of the world was perfectly willing to leave Saddam Hussein and the threat of Saddam Hussein in power. As I recall from history, there were quite a few European nations willing to leave Hitler in power too....until it was almost too late.

Unlike you....I am not at all surprised that it is usually the U.S. and Britain who do all the hard work in the world.
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Default I still feel world opinion doesn't matter

If the world said we should let Iran obtain nukes or NK deploy nukes pointed at the US I wouldn't say we should allow it just because the world says so. We need to do what's in our interests first and the world's second. I want us to work with other countries as much as possible, but just because they are for or against something doesn't mean our decisions should be based solely on that.
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Hun General to his troops in Iraq: "Everyone into the humvee.. WE ARE LEAVING!".


Holycrap.. WE ARE DOOOMED!!!
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Default OK

Since Bush won re-election, let's not politicize this any more. We want to WIN Iraq, however we can. Bush cannot run for re-election so let's all try to support the efforts in Iraq, even if you were against going in there in the first place.
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Of course we need to win. But why does that prohibit me from criticizing the war? My opposition to it, and discontent with the management of it, was not an election-year fashion. I'm giving Bush the benefit of the doubt as far as his intentions, but that doesn't mean I'm going to close my eyes to reality.
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As I recall from history, there were quite a few European nations willing to leave Hitler in power too....until it was almost too late.
Mostly because we did not have the capability to tackle the fastest growing and best army in the world, because most of out politicians were pacisfist (can you blame them, having come out of WW1?), and the US stubbornly refused to help, even when Hitler was marching through Europe and North Africa

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willing to leave Saddam Hussein and the threat of Saddam Hussein in power
I was browsing through the BBC website the other day, and I came across this;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm

Do you still think he posed a huge threat in the region?
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