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Old 12-07-2008, 12:49 PM
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It really is a bit ridiculous how easily our congress is swayed by lobbyists. Freddie Mac got away with murder by buying off anyone and everyone. Read more commentary and get more information about the money Freddie Mac spent to avoid regulation. Let me know if you agree that it is ridiculous how companies like Freddie Mac pay off the people charged with regulating them.
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I made a pretty picture:



That's contributions to all congressional candidates since '89, versus all contributions from Fannie and Freddie.

The real percent is 0.08% of total, or 0.00008

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Old 12-07-2008, 01:28 PM
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they also spent a large amount of money lobbying congress, not just for their campaigns. But that isn't the only point I was trying to make, as your graph points out, there are many many companies that are just like Freddie Mac. Part of what I was trying to say was that it is all ridiculous. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.
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Old 12-07-2008, 01:29 PM
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This really comes as no surprise, much like the contributions to congress during the FISA immunization fight.


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Comparing Democrats' Votes (March 14th and June 20th votes):

Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint gave PAC contributions averaging:

$8,359 to each Democrat who changed their position to support immunity for Telcos (94 Dems)
$4,987 to each Democrat who remained opposed to immunity for Telcos (116 Dems)

88 percent of the Dems who changed to supporting immunity (83 Dems of the 94) received PAC contributions from Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint during the last three years (Jan. 2005-Mar. 200. See below for list of these 94 Dems.
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http://www.maplight.org/FISA_June08

No before you go screaming partisan this or that, read some of my other posts and the sig, I'd just as soon hang an (R) as I would a (D) for corruption. You'll have to note in that article however, the (R)'s where all BUT ONE (I'm guessing RP) already caved on giving immunity to telcos for domestic spying. Essentially, you were already on the payroll, and this article was aimed at how much it costs to get more (D)'s to 'play ball'.

I wonder really, who is getting paid in DC right now, for the coming fiasco/meltdown/emergency we just don't know about now. Not attempting to thread jack, but are lobbyists really protected under free speech? Was there nothing built into our form of government to prevent the whole sale purchase and abuse of power in DC?
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I completely agree sabin. It is rampant on both sides of the aisle.
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I made a pretty picture:



That's contributions to all congressional candidates since '89, versus all contributions from Fannie and Freddie.

The real percent is 0.08% of total, or 0.00008
Pretty picture.

Scary by your numbers, that's $666,666,666.66/year over the last 9 years

What source are you using? Is the implication your making that they are small fish in a big pond? Or, are you trying express the outrageously large sums of money in total have been pouring into DC to purchase influence?

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Pretty picture.

Scary by your numbers, that's $666,666,666.66/year over the last 9 years

What source are you using? Is the implication your making that they are small fish in a big pond? Or, are you trying express the outrageously large sums of money in total have been pouring into DC to purchase influence?

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I know that there was 900 million contributed to congressional candidates this race (opensecrets.org). I assumed that 20 years ago, they were spending half that amount, so I multiplied it by 10 for each race and again by 2/3 as per my assumption. It's a reasonable estimate for the purpose of the thread.

I got the 7.5 million figure from here

The point I was trying to make wasn't that they were small fry, but ya, that there's a bigger picture. Really, I think that for their market cap, that their contributions were appropriate. It's those companies who spend more than one would expect for a company of their size that I would worry about, which would represent a small minority of total contributions.

So the graph that would go with this better would be the company's average market cap over their average contributions. It would be an even smaller percentage more than likely, considering they used tens of billions (~80B and ~40B at their peaks).
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A new AP investigative report shows how corrupt and foolish our politicians are.

Here's an excerpt, you should read the entire thing.

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The AP previously described, in October, how Freddie Mac thwarted efforts to bring a tough regulatory bill sponsored by Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, John Sununu of New Hampshire, Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina and John McCain of Arizona to a full Senate vote.

At a meeting days after Hagel's bill went to the full Senate, Syron and McLoughlin berated the company's in-house lobbyists for failing to keep Hagel's bill corralled in committee, said the four people familiar with events at Freddie Mac at the time.

Freddie Mac shifted into high gear, secretly paying a Republican consulting firm, Washington-based DCI Group, $2 million to kill Hagel's legislation. The covert lobbying campaign targeted Republican senators in 2005-06.

According to the newly obtained records, DCI's deployment was part of a broader campaign that targeted mainly Republicans on Capitol Hill.

The internal Freddie Mac documents show that 17 of the lobbying firms and consultants paid in 2006 were specifically directed to focus on Republicans and four on Democrats, with varying targets for the rest.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081207/the_i...eddie_mac.html


Basically, the 4 republicans had who sponsored the bill were correct in their belief that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were financially unsound. Granted, by the time the bill was written 90% of the damage was irreparable and the bill itself was pretty half-a$$ed and lenient, but at least they tried. Unfortunately, even when the Republican's values were pointing them in the right way the party had too many bought and paid for goons to even get the bill out of committee in the Republican controlled congress. And yes, the Democrats were dumb not to see this crisis coming too, but I would prefer moments of ignorance to outright corruption.

I would hope that after the previous election Republicans would realize that they can't win elections based on guns, god, and gays. I am slightly right of center on many economic issues such as free trade, low corporate taxes, limited regulation, and other free-market principles. Unfortunately, it seems as if the current Republican party is to corrupt to follow their free-market ideals when they would have made a difference.

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Actually, Mack, that's how Washington works. And the Democrats are no less corrupt. Both parties are puppets to big money.
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Actually, Mack, that's how Washington works. And the Democrats are no less corrupt. Both parties are puppets to big money.
nobody's saying otherwise.
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