and European nations interfering in Ukraine politics. President Bush warns that the world is watching. Russia and the KGB thug has overtly interfered in the Ukraine election all along. Why do we in the U.S. and E.U. care ? Because this shows the treachery of Putin's Russia. Putin who rules Russia with shadowy oligarchs has been trying to put the Russian empire back together again. Ukraine a country of 49 million with solid natural resources and industry was a cornerstone captive country in the Soviet days. Poland a NATO country has a sizable boarder with Ukraine. If we allow Russia to interfere with Ukraine will allow Russia to interfere with Poland next ?
Ronald Reagan was been credited with knocking down the Soviet Empire but will president Bush have the guts to cut the head of the evil snake Russia before it acts as an anaconda and starts to swallow up it's neighbors again ?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6374820/

Ukraine is not some Chechnya sized country and it had actually existed as a country before Russia evolved so we cannot allow this monster Godzilla predatory state of Russia to control Ukraine.

Remember when a rogue Chechen group of terrorists killed the children from Russia and the entire world felt sorry for the Russians ? Even though I was horrified by that Chechnya act of terror I posted here that it was just one example of "Chechyans acting like Russians."

Believe me people Russia is just a more sophisticated technologically more advanced terrorist state as compared to Chechnya. They are again capable of terror against their neighbors. Interfere in an independent country's elections today, and if unchecked will it be an invasion tomorrow? Killing students the week after ? It happened before ?

Yes Mr. Bush you absolutely correct. The world should be watching the crises in Ukraine and it well must to prevent a monster from being regenerating.

This situation could turn out to be HUGE as in much larger than Iraq HUGE!!!!

It's still very hard to figure out what is happening in the Ukraine. Anyone have any good analysis links to post?

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Try this on for size

Little old, but not that bad. Gives a nice background.

This is a link that has reports from multiple sources
http://www.brama.com/news/

http://comment.independent.co.uk/com...p?story=587508
http://www.brama.com/news/
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041...1136-9900r.htm
http://www.brama.com/news/
http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/188856
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Edmont...28/738097.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/we...ew/28whit.html

It may be fitting that Ukraine once called the cornerstone of the Soviet Empire is the scene of the last battle of the cold war. The Soviet Union may be 'gone' but the 'Soviet' mind still is alive in Russia, and Russia has not psychologically accepted the fact that Ukraine is independent. With the help of traitors in Ukraine Russian oligarchs have amassed large holdings of Ukrainian industry and they believed that the only way to keep that power was to control who will be the next president of Ukraine.

Vyktor Yushchenko a pro west candidate ran against the pro Russian candidate Vyktor Yanushkovych and the current Kuchma government with the help of Russia fixed the results of the election but Yushchenko's people, EU, and the west caught them.

Yushchenko a pro west candidate wants Ukraine to become a normal European country but Russia fears that and has tried to defeat him and get a stooge into office so that part of Russia's attempt to rebuild their empire.

Europe and the U.S. must use all means available short of war or outright interference to stop Russia. Russia must never again be allowed to become a superpower. We must stop any attempts to rebuilt Russia. In fact the only way to assure that Russia does not bounce back is to stealthfully
cause instability within Russia itself. We should help foment rebellion in Siberia, Chechenya, Tatarshchyna; anywhere there is weakness we should create further strife for Russia. If we can keep them busy they will not be able to cause trouble for European countries such as Ukraine, or Poland etc. I realize that this sounds harsh but we never really completely won the cold war and we will not until Russia is no longer capable of causing problems to any of it's neighbors.

Personally I would like to dismantle Russia into 1000 pieces but the reality is that :
1- they have nukes and that would be dangerous
2- we need someone on China's flank

Bottom line is that we unfortuately need Russia together, but she must be weak, or she will be dangerous again.

So we need to keep Russia off balance and in relatively one piece as long as it is useful for us..

NATO expansion is a big issue with the Ukraine. Russia is especially touchy about that subject.

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You know, the stark contrast between the Yuschenko Western supporters and those in the East is striking, almost like, I imagine, East and West Germany. Those in the West seem younger, forward-thinking, more optimistic, while those in the East seem very old, dark, cold, ahh, Russian in nature.

Godspeed to the Yuschenko forces. Please do freedom proud.

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Sen. Joe Biden- 1/19/05

Mother Russia wants the territory it once controlled. Russia is weak. They relied on the resources of the states around them during the Cold War, they no longer have that. And since a good number of Russians still live in Ukraine, and the Ukraine is economically developed, it is no surprise that Russia wants to control Ukraine once again.

Tricky White wrote Agree, You speak a truism. Yet my theory is that what the forward logical thinkers in Ukraine want is EU membership and they see that the road to EU membership is through NATO.

Of course The Russia is not happy with either move and of course both moves threaten what is left of the empire.

Hnasmolesman wrote The sad part is that Stalin and all Soviet dictators including Western Liberals darling Gorbachov made sure the industry of the captive Republics was integrated with the Russian Republic so that no one Republic could stand totally by itself. Example even today tanks are made in Kharkiv Ukraine but the turrets are still made in Russia. The industrial part ( Eastern ) of Ukraine was held under Soviet rule for 70 years therefore their industries are very "integrated" as compared to the Western part or as the BALTICS were for 45 years.

True also that a lot of Russians live in Ukraine because Stalin moved them to Ukraine after he initiated the forced famine of the 1930's when 6- 8 million Ukrainians and others starved to death. SADLY many Estern Ukrainians have forgotten that fact. I don't notice the Chechens forgetting too much of what the Russians did to them. Must be the price Ukrainians pay for being too civilized.