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Old 11-26-2004, 02:34 PM
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Default Fallujah still dangerous

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Two U.S. Marines were killed Friday during house searches in Fallujah, the epicenter of insurgent resistant that remains dangerous despite U.S. assertions that the military campaign there was a success.
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"We will continue to clear out houses till every one is secure. We’ve taken more and more of their safehouses. They’re running out of places to hide,” said Lt. Gen. John F. Sattler, commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (search).
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Sattler said the Marines responded with gunfire, killing three rebels hiding inside.

U.S. troops have continued clearing operations in Fallujah, which came under a massive week-long U.S.-led assault that began Nov. 8. Sattler said about 50 percent of the houses in the city have already been cleared.
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Old 11-26-2004, 02:37 PM
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It's something about these house to house searches that we keep having to do, that makes me think this war is going to take a long time.
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Old 11-26-2004, 10:38 PM
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Pull our troops out and drop about 5 MOABS on Fallujah.
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Pull our troops out and drop about 5 MOABS on Fallujah.
I guess you like the term "collateral damage"?
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I understand Iraqis still dangerous... are the inner cities in America dangerous? And would they be MORE dangerous if the inner city denizens had access to AKs and RPGs?
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Old 11-27-2004, 07:13 AM
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I understand Iraqis still dangerous... are the inner cities in America dangerous? And would they be MORE dangerous if the inner city denizens had access to AKs and RPGs?
not a fan of the second amendment, eh?

let me ask you something:

Immagine cops use assault weapons, stealth tactics, and pre-emptive air bombing. Also immagine cops don't care as much about accidental civilian deaths, don't care about evidence, and shoot first / ask questions later.

How many cops will be killed in a U.S. city in a week, if the cops use these tactics?

And how many cities do you know of in the U.S. where the cops search every single house in a city looking for terrorists?

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Still you are the first conservative i've seen who thinks this terrorism is a criminal issue and not a national security issue
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Default I think you missed the point Nathan

I don't think Sinanju was alluding to that at all. I think you're reading too much into his post, and missing his point entirely.
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Pull our troops out and drop about 5 MOABS on Fallujah.
I guess you like the term "collateral damage"?
War is hell. Collateral damage is inevitable. You live in Europe, what did it take to stop Hitler and end WW2? Unfortunately, civilians have to pay during war time, it is the only way to end a conflict.
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War is war, I'm not denying that. Destroying everything that stands higher than a few paltry meters is not quite effective war conduct either. Making Fallujah a huge smoking pile of rubber with all its buildings, inhabitants and shrines will do much more to harm US interests in region than help temporary military ones. Clausewitz was right in saying war is an extension of politics. Reckless regard to damage and civilian casualties is not even a particularily effective military method, it only makes it harder for the occupier to control. Civilians will almost certainly suffer during war, but they don't have to, otherwise why not nuke Baghdad or Kabul at the start?

For the Hitler comment, it been pretty widely proven that the Allied "Area Bombing" campaign did astoundingly little to harm Germany industrial production, it mostly caused immense problems after the war had been won for the Allied administrations. (which was clear by that point, only a question of time and lives) I'd like to see you defend the destruction of Dresden. You are a historian, you should know this.
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