I've heard that Jefferson edited his Bible, cutting from it any references of miracles. That was what prompted me to say he seemed to believe in Yahweh, but not in the sense of the transcendent Yahweh. If he didn't believe in Yahweh at all, it seems to me he wouldn't have taken the time to edit his Bible, but rather, would have simply tossed it in the trashcan.

My son has a urinary trak infection and mono! But he's doing pretty well. I'm trying to order some "Buckaroo Stoneware" but the web site doesn't accept Amex (the only credit card I have). Pretty cool stuff--has cowboys and bronc riders on it! See all the fun stuff you get to buy when you're not married?

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You always make me laugh. It is my understanding that Jefferson trashed much of the OT, and focused almost solely on the NT. He was a big fan of Jesus...and I'm certain that Jesus's commentary on social justice issues and the basic equality of mankind played a large role in Jefferson's drafting of our founding documents.

I'm trying to think of a good present for my dad. Y'all are about the same age, any suggestions?

For his birthday I got him CD versions of his favorite broadway musicals: Flower Drum Song, Man of La Mancha, and Camelot.

He had been reminiscing about having them on albums which were sold during the auction in which they sold off their farm goods when he retired. It's so hard to buy for my parents, they have WAAAAY more toys than we do.

Sorry about your son. I had mono when I was a senior in high school. I felt miserable for a couple of months, but my mom made me go to school anyway. Finally she drug my sorry ass to the doctor and learned I had mono. I think she felt rather apologetic after that. LOL

Catz

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TV circuit pointing out his religious teachings with the Declaration as a prop and NOT the focus for his teachings.

AGAIN, I would hope conservatives would be the FIRST to stop a teacher from teaching personal views over fact.

please cite specifically how the teacher was using the documents at issue in proselytizing? In the interview I heard, he categorically denied that accusation. Nevertheless, it remains factual teaching our freedoms, according to our founding fathers, come from God. Teaching this fact could be considered proselytizing by those many misguided educrats. But they are wrong. It is simply teaching truth. Which again, runs contrary to post modernists.

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You are correct, Barn, it is factual that the founding fathers believed that humans weren't given rights by other humans, but were endowed with rights, by their creator. That is a fundamental premise that underlies the declaration of independence and the constitution, as well.

The fact of the matter is that these rights being an innate gift from the creator (a higher authority than mankind) gave the American patriots a justification for seizing their rights from the British. One cannot understand the American revolution without understanding their reasoning.

A link would be helpful, Kaladrew.

Catz

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I'm the world's worst when it comes to gifts for dads. There is one gift I one day will "make." Both my parents are dead, but I thought I'd give one to each of my sisters if and when I ever do this project. The project is to gather many, many old, not so old and recent photographs of Mama and Daddy, and make a DVD slide show from them. The music accompanying the slide show will be the Louis Armstrong version of, "What a Wonderful World" (or whatever the name of the song is). You're pretty good on computers--think something like that would be meaningful to him?

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Maybe I can go through the photo albums this holiday when I'm down there and borrow some pictures.

Catz

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that if schools used and taught the deist view of God, they would not only have no problem with the Declaration of Independence being taught, but would cram it down the throats of children?

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