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Old 12-01-2004, 03:44 PM
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military will boost its troops in Iraq (news - web sites) to 150,000 this month, the highest level since the war began in March 2003, in order to improve security for scheduled Jan 30. elections, the Pentagon (news - web sites) said on Wednesday.

The increased total from 138,000 now in Iraq will continue until March and extend the promised year-long Iraq tours of 8,100 Army soldiers to 14 months and the seven-month tours of 2,300 Marines to nine months.

In addition to the battle-hardened troops whose tours are being extended to face a growing insurgency, 1,500 members of the elite 82nd Airborne Division based in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, will be sent to Iraq within days and remain for about three months to help bolster security.

Previously, the largest number of U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq during the 20-month war was 148,000 in May 2003, defense officials said

"At this point in time, it's going to be (a new total of) 150,000," Army Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez told a Pentagon news conference.

"The purpose is mainly to provide security for the elections. But it's also to keep up the pressure on the insurgency after the Falluja operation," he added.

The extended troops will remain in Iraq for two extra months even after their normal rotation replacements have arrived in the coming weeks, Rodriguez said.

Current plans are to reduce the 150,000 troops, requested by U.S. Central Command chief Gen. John Abizaid, back to current levels of less than 140,000 by mid-March.

Army troops whose tours will be extended include 4,400 soldiers from the 2nd Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division based in Hawaii, 3,500 from the 2nd Brigade of the 1st Cavalry Division based at Fort Hood, Texas, and a small truck transportation unit of about 160 troops based in Kleber Klasern, Germany.

MARINES ALSO EXTENDED

About 2,300 Marine troops from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit based in Okinawa will also be extended to about nine months until March, Rodriguez said.

The U.S. military previously sent 1,100 82nd Airborne soldiers to Afghanistan (news - web sites) in September to boost security for the presidential election there. Polling took place in Afghanistan on Oct. 9 with little violence.

The Pentagon said that the airborne troops being sent to Iraq in the coming days would not be the same personnel who were sent to Afghanistan.

The Pentagon also temporarily raised the U.S. military presence in Iraq by about 20,000 troops last spring to provide security for the handover of sovereignty to Iraq. It then delayed the scheduled departure of some troops by three months and hastening the arrival of others.

Abizaid had said more troops would be needed to safeguard the election but that would be achieved primarily through more U.S.-trained Iraqi security forces. The Pentagon, however, has acknowledged previous broad problems in training and equipping Iraqi security forces.

Rodriguez said on Wednesday that even if the Iraq election were postponed, the troops who are currently being extended would be coming back to the United States in March.

"The plan is flexible," he said. "They will not be extended any further than this."



Wednesday's announcement brought quick reaction from the U.S. Congress with one senator charging that there were not enough American troops in Iraq to respond to insurgent attacks throughout that country.

"The Pentagon's announcement today is no surprise," said Democratic Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record) of Rhode Island,

"While our forces in Iraq have been very effective in defeating the insurgents in Falluja, there are not enough troops to respond to terrorist attacks in all areas of the country - and there are certainly not enough U.S. or Iraqi trained forces to provide adequate security for the elections in January," he added. (Additional reporting by Will Dunham and Vicki Allen)
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I wonder why George W. Bush didn't say he was going to do this in October...
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Do a search. You'll discover that Pres. Bush always said he'd send more troops if needed. And it's always thought they might be needed for during the elections. This is not exactly "breaking news."
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they aren't even reporting on this, they just mention it causually, and move on.
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Default i guess "shock and awe" didn't work

And now we're back to square one. Thanks Rumsfeld.
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I wonder why George W. Bush didn't say he was going to do this in October...
I don't recall Bush ever saying anything about it but this has been discussed by the military in the media in recent months. They're just overlapping the rotations so there are a few more troops in the country around election time. As JP5 said, not really breaking news as the press is portraying it.
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i guess "shock and awe" didn't work..
And now we're back to square one. Thanks Rumsfeld.
Worked on me. The shortfall on recruitment and the decreasing onhand numbers of FreeIraqiForces shown by this chart shock&awed me plenty.


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Iraqi Military Reconstruction

From October 2003 through November 2004 the objective end-strength of Iraqi forces appears to have more than doubled, increasing from 148,000 to 273,600. The actual number of forces on hand increased from 79,500 in October 2003 to 165,800 in September 2004. But the actual number of forces on hand fell to 107,200 in October and to 63,900 in November 2004. The shortfall of troops increased from 69,400 to 209,700 over this period.

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Well, America's in for the ride now. Anyone taking bets for how long US troops will be positioned in Iraq?
Another Vietnam-like dragging conflict in the making?
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It's looking like it... but probably more similar to USSR's A'stan adventure in the 80s.

The US military has been buying time while an indigenous force is trained and eventually fielded. As shown in the chart above, big problem now is the declining recruitment/retention rate among the FreeIraqi forces.

The upcoming elections won't calm things down, IMO it'll probably have an overall negative effect within Iraq. It'll look good from the outside though.
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Well, America's in for the ride now. Anyone taking bets for how long US troops will be positioned in Iraq?
Another Vietnam-like dragging conflict in the making?
It's looking like it... but probably more similar to USSR's A'stan adventure in the 80s.

The US military has been buying time while an indigenous force is trained and eventually fielded. As shown in the chart above, big problem now is the declining recruitment/retention rate among the FreeIraqi forces.

The upcoming elections won't calm things down, IMO it'll probably have an overall negative effect within Iraq. It'll look good from the outside though.
I'll give the US more credit than the USSR with Afghanistan, the US has a much better financial basis. But by any measure, any realist cannot consider the current situation to be promising.

But we'll see, it's just kinda amusing thinking of those few who said Iraq would be a short adventure. The US would be out within a few years.
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