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Shortly after Obama was sworn as president elect, Obama lifts ban on abortion thus making American citizens guilty of "accessories to murder"
There's public divide in the USA on Obama's decision closing Guantanamo Bay prison. 177 House Republicans voted against the spending plan, I mean the "porkulus" plan. Nancy Pelosi makes absurd claims 500 million jobs are lost because the stimulus plan has not met approval. Obama proclaims "the time for talk is over" despite the fact he said he would work with the GOP on his "porkulus" plan. Wasteful spending like "anti smoke programs or disease prevention" will not stimulate the economy Mr. President. Allow the GOP to remove some of the pork, down size your "porkulus" plan and eventually your spending package will pass. According to the latest Rasmussen poll, 43% oppose the economic spending plan.

Support for Stimulus Package Falls to 37%

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"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled." -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

Ok... according to an Associated Press Fact Check article by Alan Fram, the stimulus plan cannot be proven to do what we are being told it will do. The democrats assertions cannot also be definitively proven not to work. The economists data and projections are all based on economic numbers we have never seen before. Thus, we don't know. Yes the Dems are selling it as the cure for cancer right now, but let's not forget about our little checks we got in the mail that we were supposed to use to keep the economy humming and the numbers that show it didn't work. Let's also not forget the bailout/TARP given to banks that also don't seem to working yet. The GOP seems to favor a plan for more tax cuts which economists generally agree will not work either...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/..._4TfQD963JOIG1

What would work? Millions of Americans spending less money than they make. Millions of Americans buying houses that were affordable with one income instead of two. Millions of Americans forcing their government to regulate financial systems just enough to keep the market relatively free of predatory lenders and their insurers. But nobody in government is going to give the American Citizen their medicine, it would mean political suicide. Instead it's all about who's to blame and pushing our own partisan policies through as fast as possible. Bush and the gang also told us that the world would cease from turning if we didn't bail out the banks as fast as we did.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...out/index.html

Bottom line: It's THE CULTURE OF ENTITLEMENT combined with the ludicrous myth that credit is a civil right that is at the root of the problem.
Anyone else know of a family with over forty thousand dollars in credit card debt that still gets 'take-out' DELIVERED! three nights a week!? Oh ya the woman got laid off last month and to celebrate all the free time she'll have to look after the children the family flew to Disneyland for the weekend!
I hope the economy totally collapses and every credit card in the country has a 'DECLINE' message. Maybe then the population will begin to live realistic lifestyles.
The ONLY way to fix the economy is to allow it to fail. Simply throwing borrowed/printed money at it will ironically cause more problems not less. "Well Mabel, we're in a tight spot. I think it's time to borrow another ten thousand from your DAD. That should allow use to continue spending a thousand more a month than we're bringing in for a while".

Screeching "porkulus" over and over isn't going to change the facts. It's like when you guys started every other thread with "Obambi" all through the fall -- how'd that work out? There's a difference between coming up with a slogan, and coming up with an actual policy, which the Republicans are clearly incapable of doing.


There is a simple way for Obama to resolve this problem instantly, and drive a bunch of Republican hypocrites back into their holes in the process. I can't claim credit for this -- someone from my hometown came up with the idea.

Currently the Republicans are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In one red state after another, Republican governors are begging for stimulus money, while their Republican Senators are slamming Obama on the stimulus issue.

So the proposal is simple: for every state in which both Senators vote against the stimulus package, that state gets no stimulus money. If the Senators for that state split 1-1, they only get a half share.

Do that, and the bill will pass with overwhelming support.

The guy who, for crass political reasons, wanted to extend mortgage credit to all those black families who normally wouldn't get them, was Bush. So the "credit is a civil right" notion came from the Republicans.

Except it ignores the reason WHy the bill isnt getting overwhelming support now. Its not stimulus, it's loaded with Democrat special interest garbage.

It's not about whether this should pass with overwhelming support or not....it about whether this thing should pass at all as it is....many seem to feel it shouldnt.

"The debate is over!"

Jee, where have we heard that before?

Its Al Gore reincarnate.

Liberals just cant handle discourse can they? Just shove it down your throat and take it, that is their motto.

But of course Obama would say that, the Congressional Budget Office just stated the stimulus would have a negative effect on the economy on Wednesday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/

Now that is funny.

This bill is just liberal spending, using the recession as cover fire.

Bottom Line.

What needs to be done, will be done. The do-ers will do. The whiners will whine.

If it doesn't work, we'll try something else. And the whiners will whine about THAT, too.

If it DOES work, watch the whiners try to take credit.