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Old 02-28-2009, 03:11 PM
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Default Obama's healthcare reform doesnt deal with the problems of healthcare

Obama is a joke. His healthcare reform doesnt even metion or even attempt to deal with the real reasons why healthcare is so expensive.

1, The first and biggest problem is lilabliity...lawsuits. Doctors pratice defensive medicene to cover their ass in case some slimy lawyer sues them trying to make his fortune. This at least 30% of the cost of healthcare. Obama is acting like this expense doesnt exist.

2. The cost of tecnology. Evenyone wants the latest greatest treatment but no one wants to pay for it. Obama doesnt even metion this exepnse but its around 50% of the health care costs in this country. We can all go back to the 70's tecnology and healthcare will be cheap. And all the fat people will die in their 50's and 60's.

3. The aging population and the real life expectency of around 90 years. Istead he is using the latest medicare life expectency of 77 years which is 10 years out of date.

What a joke these are the reasons why heathcare is so expensive in this country and Obama is not even metioning them.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:43 PM
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Thanks for the GOP talking points.
Now for the facts.
The single most important cause of our catastrophically high health care costs is the illegal oligopoly of the insurance companies. That alone doubles our costs.


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Obama is a joke. His healthcare reform doesnt even metion or even attempt to deal with the real reasons why healthcare is so expensive.

1, The first and biggest problem is lilabliity...lawsuits. Doctors pratice defensive medicene to cover their ass in case some slimy lawyer sues them trying to make his fortune. This at least 30% of the cost of healthcare. Obama is acting like this expense doesnt exist.

2. The cost of tecnology. Evenyone wants the latest greatest treatment but no one wants to pay for it. Obama doesnt even metion this exepnse but its around 50% of the health care costs in this country. We can all go back to the 70's tecnology and healthcare will be cheap. And all the fat people will die in their 50's and 60's.

3. The aging population and the real life expectency of around 90 years. Istead he is using the latest medicare life expectency of 77 years which is 10 years out of date.

What a joke these are the reasons why heathcare is so expensive in this country and Obama is not even metioning them.
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Thanks for the GOP talking points.
Now for the facts.
The single most important cause of our catastrophically high health care costs is the illegal oligopoly of the insurance companies. That alone doubles our costs.
Thanks for the liberal talking points. Now the true facts: Obama is simply creating another major entitlement program that he hope will keep democrats in power. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about power.

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Default NO !!! biggest problem is NOT lilabliity

The cost component for malpractice insurance is NOT the biggest component of the health cost spiral. It is probably he most immotional one. I had the actual figures in my files somewhere and will look them up. I have friends in the Medical Economics depatmets a a couple insurance companies and if I cannot locate my file on the cost I will get them and publish here. Industry figures that is not any specific company figures.
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Obama is a joke. His healthcare reform doesnt even metion or even attempt to deal with the real reasons why healthcare is so expensive.

1, The first and biggest problem is lilabliity...lawsuits. Doctors pratice defensive medicene to cover their ass in case some slimy lawyer sues them trying to make his fortune. This at least 30% of the cost of healthcare. Obama is acting like this expense doesnt exist.

2. The cost of tecnology. Evenyone wants the latest greatest treatment but no one wants to pay for it. Obama doesnt even metion this exepnse but its around 50% of the health care costs in this country. We can all go back to the 70's tecnology and healthcare will be cheap. And all the fat people will die in their 50's and 60's.

3. The aging population and the real life expectency of around 90 years. Istead he is using the latest medicare life expectency of 77 years which is 10 years out of date.

What a joke these are the reasons why heathcare is so expensive in this country and Obama is not even metioning them.
What moronic statements. Back them with documentation.

Show me the data on litigation costs. (I know you can't)
Show me the cost of technology as a % of total costs. (this should be good)
Show me a 90 year life expectancy estimate. (nonexistent)
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Thanks for the GOP talking points.
Now for the facts.
The single most important cause of our catastrophically high health care costs is the illegal oligopoly of the insurance companies. That alone doubles our costs.
sectors that insurance companied have. Insurance both Poperty Casulaty and Life-Health is one of the most regulated financial service industries in the US. Each state and most territories regulate us up the kazoo!!! If wall street was one tenth as regulated as we are it would not not produced the economic terrorism that it did.
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Thanks for the liberal talking points. Now the true facts: Obama is simply creating another major entitlement program that he hope will keep democrats in power. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about power.

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I concur, but I believe they will pay for some of it by selling you medical records to insurance companies. What other reason would they have for such an privacy intrusive database. Or they may set up a sort of Health Care IRS. They compile information from your family tree, add it to your health records and medical history and come up with a formula code that you add to your income tax return and that will determine how much you pay for FMHI on you pay stub. Like deductions for dependents, only the deductions go the other way. If you have cancer, diabetes, mental health issues, heart did ease or any other costly ailment in your family tree, get ready to pay and pay.

Committing our personal medical information into a nationwide database is the biggest intrusion into personal privacy in history. Everyone was screaming about warrant less wire tapping, but I'd rather listen to me recited the man psalm with my brother, than tip toe through my personal private medical records.

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Thanks for the liberal talking points. Now the true facts: Obama is simply creating another major entitlement program that he hope will keep democrats in power. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It's all about power.

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Yes, to keep the Democrats is power because the programs Pres. Obama will and is implementing works.

Unfortunately the Republicans are so stupid they are lost within themselves and have fail to see to the needs of Americans that is why the Republicans are and will continue to lose support.
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Medical malpractice expenditures comprise less than 1 percent of overall health costs. In 2002 health care expenditures rose 9.3 percent to $1.553 trillion. Yet expenditures on all malpractice premiums reported to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) that year were only $9.6 billion – making malpractice costs about .62 percent of national health care expenditures.
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It is not possible to directly measure the impact of new medical technology on total health care spending; innovation in the health care sector occurs continuously, and the impacts of different changes interrelate. The size of the health sector (16% of gross domestic product in 2005) and its diversity (thousands of procedures, products, and interventions) also render direct measurement impractical.
Remember that many new technological advancements actually reduce costs.

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bullet graphicLife expectancy: 77.8 years

Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2005, Table 7
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm

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Yes, to keep the Democrats is power because the programs Pres. Obama will and is implementing works.

Unfortunately the Republicans are so stupid they are lost within themselves and have fail to see to the needs of Americans that is why the Republicans are and will continue to lose support.
What a bunch of garbage. Tell me one thing BO is implementing with healthcare right now that is working?

My advice to you is to have a mind of your own instead of just blindly worshiping your liberal religion.
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