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Old 03-09-2009, 02:28 PM
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Socialism is taking money from someone and saying "you must go here." Socialism is government control. Vouchers are choice without government control. I can't imagine it being any more clear than that.
Vouchers are people whining that the ydon't want to pay to send there kids to a private school. They do want to send them but they don't want to fork out the money themselves. Don't tell me how it is your own tax dollers returned to you for the education. I don't have kids and never will and I don't get my money back. Nor do I wish to see it back. It is for all kids not some whiney person who wants the best but doesn't want to pay.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:28 PM
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No strings attached means they don't tell you how you may spend what used to be your money. No strings attached would mean that you could spend the money however you please, whether for kids' school tuition or a freekin' vacation at Club Med.

Vouchers have strings attached: they tell you how you may spend the money.
Birdzeye,

A couple of things:

It sounds like you're arguing that all taxes are, by their very nature, socialist. I don't think that even the most extreme members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy would say that taxes are socialist. Some form of taxation is necessary, although many conservatives would call it a "necessary evil".

Second, let me ask you a question. As usual, this isn't a trick question and their won't be any follow up "gotcha" questions. I'm just genuinely curious.

In your opinion, is it better to have the government take your money and then tell you where you will be sending your children with little or no input from you, OR would you rather have the government give you that money back so that you can send your kids where you wanted them to go?

If given the choice, which would you prefer and why?

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There are serious problems with voucher programs. Public schools are paid for via taxes...so why would public monies be going to private schools? Why wouldnt they take the money they use on vouchers and pay to private schools and use that money to improve the public schools instead...
Do you know how much money Washington D.C. spends per student?

Do you know where the U.S.A. ranks in public school spending among the world?
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Instead of giving Jellah a straightforward answer, you distorted what he said. Jellah didn't call for throwing more money at the problem.
Actually, she did, in her first post.
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No strings attached means they don't tell you how you may spend what used to be your money.
I thought no strings attached was an album by N'Sync.

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No strings attached means they don't tell you how you may spend what used to be your money. No strings attached would mean that you could spend the money however you please, whether for kids' school tuition or a freekin' vacation at Club Med.

Vouchers have strings attached: they tell you how you may spend the money.
Name one tax in the entire country that has "no strings attached" as you describe it. There is no such thing. Vouchers are as close as you get.

Property taxes are collected to specifically fund schools. Not for "whatever you want." Thus spending it on schools, as intended, is no strings attached if you have a choice in schools.
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Vouchers are people whining that the ydon't want to pay to send there kids to a private school. They do want to send them but they don't want to fork out the money themselves. Don't tell me how it is your own tax dollers returned to you for the education. I don't have kids and never will and I don't get my money back. Nor do I wish to see it back. It is for all kids not some whiney person who wants the best but doesn't want to pay.
Anti-vouchers are those whining that they want everyone to suffer in the same schools that their kids do. And that they prefer big government even if less successful. Vouchers send all kids to school. Not only some. Just like public schools.
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Anti-vouchers are those whining that they want everyone to suffer in the same schools that their kids do. And that they prefer big government even if less successful. Vouchers send all kids to school. Not only some. Just like public schools.
Why should I pay taxes that go toward the schools when I have no children?

Why do you want you money back so you can send them to a private school whotout getting me my money back?

You get your money back to pay fro a private school for your kids. I want mine back because I have no kids and I can use a new TV.

My father paid to send me to a private school. He didn't ask for his money back. Why do you think you are better then my father? Why should the government pay your tuition out of taxes. I pay those taxes as well and don't (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about it. If you want to send JR. to a private school get an extra job and stop (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about the schools. Get involved and do something to make the public schools better.

I want to know where my voucher is because i don't have kids and don't drain the system.

Just who the hell do voucher supporters think they are?
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Even if vouchers help the kids who get them, they hurt the kids that don't more, and force them to go to ideologically imbalanced schools.

Going down that path, the only end result is an America that isn't free.

Kids have a right to an education that teaches them fact, not some bastardized version of the facts.

JP5, the thread titles and post is misleading... it takes a couple hundred words before you even use the word voucher.
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Vouchers are people whining that the ydon't want to pay to send there kids to a private school. They do want to send them but they don't want to fork out the money themselves. Don't tell me how it is your own tax dollers returned to you for the education. I don't have kids and never will and I don't get my money back. Nor do I wish to see it back. It is for all kids not some whiney person who wants the best but doesn't want to pay.
I will happily pay for private schools for my kids when they get old enough. I want the best for them and that is clearly not the local public schools unless they were to get into one of the magnet schools. Seriously, I have no problem paying for private schools.

However, I do have a problem with paying for my neighbors children to go to school while paying separate for my children to go to private school. It is like having to buy a Saturn along with your Lexus. Two car payments because you wanted something above average.

I am not sure vouchers are the best answer, but it would definitely be an improvement of available choices. It offers the ability for parents to send their children to a school that they previously could not afford.

I personally wish that all education would be privatized, or at the very least decreasing federal taxes and increasing local taxes that go to education. At least then we could avoid the double administrative waste along with gaining more power of your tax dollars.
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