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Old 02-09-2005, 12:13 PM
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I just think we would bomb the hell out of whatever nuclear facilities they have and force them to start over from scratch, an action I don't necessarily disapprove of. Just as Israel did in Iraq.

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Yep, I believe that is the only possible plan on the table. I think there is zero chance we would attempt an invasion of Iran. I really doubt that Iran would retaliate by trying to invade Iraq to get to us. With our air and armor power plus airborne surveillance, Iran would have little chance of even crossing the border.

Probably the biggest risk of us taking out Iran's nuke facilities would be Iran lobbing missiles at Israel.
That's more difficult than it sounds. Iran has learned from Saddam's mistakes and has spread its nuclear program over a large area, with much of it in areas heavily populated by civilians -- making surgical strikes difficult or impossible without heavy casualties. The greater the number of casualties, the greater the chance that civilians will support the government. In addition, bombing existing sites potentially postpones development, but certainly doesn't stop it -- regime change may be the only long term solution.
I've read the same and agree it won't be easy. But if diplomacy fails we will be left with no other viable options, assuming our policy is to not allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Even if we can't get every facility it will hopefully be enough to set them back a few years.

I also agree regime change is the way to go. I just can't see us imposing it the way we have in Iraq.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:18 PM
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the regime in Iran wants the US to bomb Iran. They are not well liked and are in danger of being overthrown from within. If the US bombs the country and does not invade than the people may rally around the flag and the current regime might hang on for decades.

Surly the Iranian government must know that Bush and the Neocons mean business. If they just table their nuclear program for 47 months and a democrat gets elected in 2008 then they could resume with little likelihood of a war.


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The Iranian military engine is out of date and basically comprised of reverse engineered Russian tech...

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Don't "overhype" the Iranians. The "Persians" as you call them were excellent warriors... the key word there is "were"


Do not make the mistake of opining that i am underestimating the Iranians. The reason i advocate military action against them is because i DO NOT underestimate them.
I disagree. Iran has about 1,000 operational tanks and an army of 540,000 with 350,000 in reserve and 3 kilo subs.

While the US could win a war it would need several divisions and the logical place to attack is from Afghanistan. The mountains on the west make an attack from Iraq difficult.

http://www.csis.org/features/0407_IransMilForces.pdf
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Well....not anymore. Saddam has proven that non-super powers can do anything they want too.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that the regime in Iran wants the US to bomb Iran. They are not well liked and are in danger of being overthrown from within. If the US bombs the country and does not invade than the people may rally around the flag and the current regime might hang on for decades.

Surly the Iranian government must know that Bush and the Neocons mean business. If they just table their nuclear program for 47 months and a democrat gets elected in 2008 then they could resume with little likelihood of a war.


In international law I thought the rule was the a super power can de whatever they want.

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The Iranian military engine is out of date and basically comprised of reverse engineered Russian tech...

basically a joke.

Don't "overhype" the Iranians. The "Persians" as you call them were excellent warriors... the key word there is "were"


Do not make the mistake of opining that i am underestimating the Iranians. The reason i advocate military action against them is because i DO NOT underestimate them.
I disagree. Iran has about 1,000 operational tanks and an army of 540,000 with 350,000 in reserve and 3 kilo subs.

While the US could win a war it would need several divisions and the logical place to attack is from Afghanistan. The mountains on the west make an attack from Iraq difficult.

http://www.csis.org/features/0407_IransMilForces.pdf
We actually agree...I think some of the citizenry also would like to see the regime bombed out of office. I also agree that if they tabled their nuclear desires that a Democrat would be far less likely to bomb them if one was elected.
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China has it's own financial worries, and they are not made of money. No, I dont think they will throw money at a nation just so said nation can fight a futile battle against the US. In the end all it would do is add slightly to our debt...the PRC would gain nothing.
so again your saying china wouldn't be a threat?

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giving money, nothing was said of weapons, we ar ediscussing them giving money....do pay attention 007.
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Interesting conception of International Law and its application on this thread. Its ok to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities fearing that they might produce nuclear weapons in contravention of international agreements, but no suggestion to treat similarly with Israeli facilities which actually produce them. hmmm?

Or is the law to be selective? Who gets to 'make the selections'? By what right?
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