..because you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried...

Let me guess. You're going to tell me that the National Socialist German Workers' Party was actually a Conservative Christian political party committed to small government and the betterment of the Catholics and Jews. I’d love to get into an inane debate with you, but fortunately I have someplace better to be. Have a good weekend - I don’t care.

Define age appropriate? I think your age appropriate is going to be different than mine? So please tell me your not talking about 8 year olds learning about diversity through homosexuality?

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This is truly amazing. While Glowdog’s humor was certainly in poor taste it was a joke. But you decide to label him a pedophile teacher based on a joke.


Then you embarrass yourself by escalating your rage to the point where you have to be edited. And on top of this, for what was obviously a joke in poor taste, you then threaten to destroy her career.


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She didn’t step on it pal you did. In fact you not only stepped ON it, but you stepped over the line. You’ve demonstrated rage and threat making beyond anything I’ve see before on this board and over a joke. A Tasteless joke is one thing but your behavior is all too real. I wouldn’t have a child OR an adult anywhere near you. You’re out of control

But I think far too many conservatives and suburban/rural parents ignore the fact that, whether y'all like it or not, homosexuality does exist. You can address it to a child without getting at all "sexual." Fact is, they may run into friends who have gay parents. Not dealing with it in some way strikes me as the "head-in-sand" strategy.

I now look forward to sam calling me a "hedonist" or another ridiculous name.

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"She didn’t step on it pal you did. In fact you not only stepped ON it, but you stepped over the line. You’ve demonstrated rage and threat making beyond anything I’ve see before on this board and over a joke. A Tasteless joke is one thing but your behavior is all too real. I wouldn’t have a child OR an adult anywhere near you. You’re out of control"

Where is your internet psychology degree?

Either way, thanks for the dissertation on my psyche... but I assure you I was very much in control. Kindly send me an mp3 version of my "rage" so I can assess where I went wrong.... oh... that is right... you can't determine emotion on a text-based discussion board...


Guess that just blows your pathetic diatribe outta the water... but don't let that stop ya... please try again!

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HOW CAN I GET THIS THROUGH TO YOU PEOPLE? I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU WANT TO TELL YOUR OWN CHILDREN AS LONG AS MY TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT USED!!!

I am beginning to think that the disconnect here is that none of the people advocating the propaganda presented by the organizations mentioned in this thread are property owners. There is absolutely no way that a reasonable person who owns property and pays taxes to a local school district could argue that it is okay for such controversial programs to be implemented. Unless, of course, those people were completely selfish and self-centered. Sppbbtt...either way, mystery solved.

After I wrote that last reply, it dawned on me that those of you taking the absurd position that your views on this subject are the only important ones in the public forum, can’t possibly have a financial stake in the matter (i.e., you probably DO NOT pay property taxes). That would make perfect sense, because Liberals have a tendency to tuck their tails and run whenever a personal cost or sacrifice is involved.

So it seems like the best way to solve this little problem is to completely revamp the way public schools are funded. In the distant past, it was thought that wealthier land owners had an obligation to ensure that America’s youth received education on common values and important knowledge. That was a fair system, because there are some values that are very important in helping to maintain the stability of our society. Those days are obviously gone and there really is no reason for property owners to continue to foot the bill when people obviously have such passionate views about which values are important.

Instead of property owners paying most, if not all, of the taxes used to fund public school districts, local taxing authorities should start imposing an “Education Tax” on renters. That way, the tax burden on property owners can be decreased and those of you who are freeloading and complaining about the ride can legitimately speak out about what should be taught in public schools.

Sheesh, leave for a few days, lookit what happens...

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Way true.

Sam, renters pay prop. taxes, or, to be precise, the landlords do. The renters just don't get their own bill for it. (Your state may vary.)

A few random thoughts on the topic:
How many G/L couples do you know that have adopted (donored, had in a previous hetero union, etc.) a child? I think it's rare. How often will a parent have to explain why Johnny has two dads.?

I have no problem with gays. I have a problem with introducing sexual orientation concepts into grade school. That's my job as a parent. Period. My kids, end of discussion. Teach tolerance to everyone? Fine, as long as homosex stays out of it. This is not optional.

Also (hey, I did say random thoughts, right), IMO, the teaching of tolerance towards gays has given rise to "lots" of young girls in high school and college switching teams on a regular basis, back and forth. It seems to be a growing "issue". There's enough confusion in the teens, 20's, already, and these kids are indoctrinated that homosex is ok, to the point of celebrating it. They're bopping back and forth and getting more and more confused. I don't know that it's an "issue" with me, as I don't care what you do with your goodie bits (unless I pay good cash for your DVD ) and I'm a bit old for the 16-24 year old demographic. BTW, they call the girls "heteroflexibles".

Oh, and glowdog? I disagree with your stance, but I laughed out loud at your Mapplethorpe post!

Four kids, 7 thru 2 yrs. old.

I got to thank Sinanju for his threats. I felt the rage in the words. It was ugly as hell.

The whole point of tolerance should be that people with different opposing points of view of when and how children should be taught about human sexuality can come together and have a healthy debate. Maybe we need a debate over what exactly constitutes sexual education. Personally, I do not think for one instance that "Heather has Two Mommies" is teaching sexuality to grade school kids.

Surely Glowdog should not have pulled Sinanju's tail (I've had mine pulled many times and I've earlier lost control too). But I really wasn't sure Glowdog was joking -- both Gloria and Robert have done beautiful paintings and photography of flowers. Kids at the 2nd grade level are often learning about growing beans and examining the different parts of flowers (though they are not learning the sexual identity of the different parts of the flowers nor are they capable of discerning the erotic elements of Gloria or Mapplethorpe). So Glowdog's comments might not have been a joke.

Either way Sinanju's response was so ugly, so full of hatred, so almost homocidal in rage, that we might take instruction from it. Obviously a lot of kids that grew up in Sinanju's generation only learned about sexual differences and specifically homosexuality on the playgrounds where name-calling and the plotting of violence against anyone who was different was the norm. I'd love to believe that tolerance can still be taught to such a generation, but when I look at all the posts dealing with homosexuality on this forum in the last year, for one thing, they're overwhelming -- you'd think that homosexuals and lesbians were invading America with WMD designed to infect our entire country with deviant sexual activity.

And seeing the rage of Sinanju, I'd have to say that it is a perfect example of why tolerance (not specifics about sexuality, mind you) needs to be taught to grade school kids. I still do not know what the correct age should be for that teaching. I do know that books like "Heather has Two Mommies" does not teach anything sexually graphic whatsoever -- just that there are different kinds of families and we should accept a child that comes from such a different kind of family as being fully and completely normal.