"Islam has done so much to shape America" - Page 4

siddhartha · #31 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by camp_steveo

**edit: This is not an anti-Muslim thread. I am not a racist. I just wonder why our President would make these claims.

--President Barrack Hussein Obama to the Turkish Parliament, April 2009 transcript

Robert Spencer of FrontPageMagazine.com has some concerns with this statement by the President:

source: Obama: Islam Has Shaped the U.S.A.

He also asks:

Why would Obama make such a statement? What was his point? Obviously no one believes that Muslims played a role in America's formation, so why would our own President claim that they did?

In fact, one blogger pointed out that the only contribution that Muslims have made in shaping America is represented in these pictures:

I have to wonder if you read the speech? Did you? Or did you just read someone criticise the speech based on the little snipit you refer to.

If you read the entire speech, you wouldn't be asking the questions "why would he make such a statement and what is the point?"

The speech is fairly long and the phrase in question is towards the end - but lets at least quote the entire passage:

Quote:

I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world -- including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them. (Applause.)
Above all, above all we will demonstrate through actions our commitment to a better future. I want to help more children get the education that they need to succeed. We want to promote health care in places where people are vulnerable. We want to expand the trade and investment that can bring prosperity for all people. In the months ahead, I will present specific programs to advance these goals. Our focus will be on what we can do, in partnership with people across the Muslim world, to advance our common hopes and our common dreams. And when people look back on this time, let it be said of America that we extended the hand of friendship to all people.

Now, do you really still need help in understanding the point of the speech?

rhodescholar · #32 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldwater

There are many fringe influences in America. Sure...we have the old Irish, British, Italians, and Jewish influences which are profound. But I see nothing wrong with blowing a little sunshine up the skirts of Turks. I lived in Istanbul from 2000-2002 and flattery is no better way to get the Turks on your side. They are an emotional lot and will either be complaining about you or praising you, and they are high maintenance.

...

I lived in the middle east for over 10 years and felt the same way, that muslims, particularly arab muslims, are extremely sensitive about how other nationalities perceive them.

Scream "irish suck and the world hates you" in dublin, and people there will think you're a bit stupid or touched in the head; replace the word "irish" with "arab muslim" (assuming you can speak arabic, since 99% of the arab world doesn't speak english) in the heart of an arab city, and you just started 3 weeks of rioting so fierce the national army might need to be called in.

I could never quite get a handle on why adults could be so sensitive and concerned with how other people perceived them, it's almost as if they felt their civilization just sucked, and that they were failures, and had been for 1,000 years - perhaps there's some truth to it that they've internalized?

rhodescholar · #33 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Indymom

It's significant because many of us feel that Obama is more interested in becoming the leader of the world, than the leader of the United States. Many of us feel he doesn't have our back, and our best interests at heart.

Or more to the point, that he is more concerned with how americans are perceived and will they be well-liked by the rest of the world.

manwhocomesaround · #34 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by REDRUM

"Islam has done so much to shape America"

As expected you couldn't answer not one of my questions TFM.

Bigot - A person who wins an argument with a liberal.

well look down lower,I answered one of your questions.
Why havent you responded yet?

camp_steveo · #35 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by siddhartha

Now, do you really still need help in understanding the point of the speech?

You still don't answer my question, and I don't expect any Obama supporters to do so. President Obama stated that the Islamic faith has shaped America. That is inaccurate to put it mildly.

As I have already said, the only contributions Islam made to America were on 9/11/2001.

Think for myself · #36 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by camp_steveo

As I have already said, the only contributions Islam made to America were on 9/11/2001.

You are sorely mistaken.

You have completely discounted the advancements made by Islam in many different fields in favor of partisan rhetoric.

manwhocomesaround · #37 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by camp_steveo

You still don't answer my question, and I don't expect any Obama supporters to do so. President Obama stated that the Islamic faith has shaped America. That is inaccurate to put it mildly.

As I have already said, the only contributions Islam made to America were on 9/11/2001.

Im forced to post this link again!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

REDRUM · #38 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by manwhocomesaround

well look down lower,I answered one of your questions.
Why havent you responded yet?

Quote:

And we will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better – including my own country.

Malcolm X's Islamic faith shaped the world for the better, including America after denouncing Islam, received numerous death threats and his home was set fire only to be murdered in cold blood by radical Islamics, the same faith he abandoned! When you convert to Islam then speak out against Islam you're asking for a death sentence. Leaving Islam is punishable by death.

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The Nation of Islam and its leaders began making threats against Malcolm X both in private and in public. On March 23, 1964, Elijah Muhammad told Boston minister Louis X (later known as Louis Farrakhan) that hypocrites like Malcolm should have "their heads cut off". The April 10 edition of Muhammad Speaks featured a cartoon in which his severed head was shown bouncing. On July 9, John Ali, a top aide to Muhammad, answered a question about Malcolm X by saying that "anyone who opposes the Honorable Elijah Muhammad puts their life in jeopardy." The December 4 issue of Muhammad Speaks included an article by Louis X that railed against Malcolm X and said that "such a man as Malcolm is worthy of death.Some threats were made anonymously. During the month of June 1964, FBI surveillance recorded two such threats. On June 8, a man called Malcolm X's home and told Betty Shabazz to "tell him he's as good as dead. On June 12, an FBI informant reported getting an anonymous telephone call from somebody who said "Malcolm X is going to be bumped off."

In June 1964, the Nation of Islam sued to reclaim Malcolm X's residence in Queens, New York, which they claimed to own. The suit was successful, and Malcolm X was ordered to vacate. On February 14, 1965, the night before a scheduled hearing to postpone the eviction date, the house burned to the ground. Malcolm X and his family survived. No one was charged with any crime.On February 21, 1965, in Manhattan's Audubon Ballroom, Malcolm X began to speak to a meeting of the Organization of Afro-American Unity when a disturbance broke out in the crowd of 400. A man yelled, "(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)! Get your hand outta my pocket!" As Malcolm X and his bodyguards moved to quiet the disturbance, a man rushed forward and shot him in the chest with a sawed-off shotgun. Two other men charged the stage and fired handguns, hitting him 16 times. Angry onlookers caught and beat one of the assassins as the others fled the ballroom. Malcolm X was pronounced dead shortly after he arrived at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital.

Talmadge Hayer, a Black Muslim also known as Thomas Hagan, was arrested on the scene. Eyewitnesses identified two more suspects, Norman 3X Butler and Thomas 15X Johnson, also members of the Nation of Islam. The city charged all three men in the case. At first Hayer denied involvement, but during the trial he confessed to having fired shots into Malcolm X's body. He testified that Butler and Johnson were not present and were not involved in the assassination, but he declined to name the men who had joined him in the shooting. Nonetheless, all three men were convicted

Malcolm X murdered by radical Muslims

manwhocomesaround · #39 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by REDRUM

Malcolm X's Islamic faith shaped the world for the better, including America after denouncing Islam, received numerous death threats and his home was set fire only to be murdered in cold blood by radical Islamics, the same faith he abandoned! When you convert to Islam then speak out against Islam you're asking for a death sentence. Leaving Islam is punishable by death.

Malcolm X murdered by radical Muslims

he abandoned the nation of islam (the name of the orginization)
not the religion of islam.
also why should it matter if he was assasinated by muslims?
you asked me to post a muslim who impacted america,and I did.
multiple infact.(malcolm and his assasins had an impact on america)

puffin · #40 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 10:29 AM

Well Henry........ at least you are getting clue as to Obama's line of BS where ever he goes/who ever he sermonizes to. Your words: "Stating some hyperbole to give the impression of common ground is good politics". Is it really good politics henry....? Or is it just another sermon? BO didn't crawl out of the 'Chicagoland' cess pool without knowing who to kiss and where to kiss them.

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