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So, then why are the protests right wing hate fests?
That's your perception...

Federal growth is out of control, spending is out of control, and you can't see past your blinders to lay blame where blame is due. It's sad really.
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545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority.. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible..

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.


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So, then why are the protests right wing hate fests?
What day, month and year did protests against the current governments out of control spending all of the sudden become "right wing hate" fests as you falsely assert?

According to your logic, global warming, code pink, anti war, abortion, equal rights and bra burning protests are "left wing hate" fests.
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We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Actually, we should vote them all out of office and repudiate the debts that THEY incurred.

Phone calls to Congress were as high as 300 to 1 against the first bailout package but Congress voted for it anyway. This shows that Congress has become unaccountable and is not truly representing us. They are supposed to be serving US, and not the other way around. Therefore, I don't believe the people should be held accountable for this debt. We didn't want it, we said so, they ignored our will, and we don't owe.
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545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority.. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible..

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.


AND NOW MY HERO!!!!!
This is why I am in favor of the Tea Parties, term limits and scaring the hell out of the politicians. They need to be reminded that they work for us, the people and not themselves.
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That’s why they didn't get reelected, because of the over spending and other abuses. But do you think that the American people should let it happen again?
Hell this Tea Party isn’t for Republicans or against Democrats, its against the government.


And yet what are they protesting?? Taxes? We have some of the lowest taxes in the industrial/post-industrial world. Low taxes are actually part of the problem. Neither party wants to be seen as tax raisers, so they cut taxes with absolutely no desire or intention of cutting spending. The conservative hero Reagan raised taxes a few times. What these people protesting do not realize is that taxes are not the problem, I would have no problem having higher taxes if the taxes that we already had were used to improve the lives of the average american citizen. Not to line the pocket books of the richest people in the country. Instead of improving the education system, fixing social security, or any of the dozens of other worthwhile things we could do with tax dollars, we have given something along the lines of what 2.5 trillion dollars to a bunch of rich (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags who needed the money because they screwed everything up!! If that is what my taxes are used for I don't want to give my taxes. If my taxes are used to continue the useless drug war, increase the wealth of the already obscenely wealthy, or any of the dozens of other useless things we spend money on, then count me in on the protest. But that is not what these people are protesting, they are just protesting taxes and spending, because they have bought the lie that taxes and government spending are bad. They are not bad if we actually assured our tax dollars were spent on worthwhile endeavors.
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What day, month and year did protests against the current governments out of control spending all of the sudden become "right wing hate" fests as you falsely assert?

According to your logic, global warming, code pink, anti war, abortion, equal rights and bra burning protests are "left wing hate" fests.
Watch the videos dude! "revolt against socialism!" what? is that woman protesting against the German government? There are signs all over the place against Obama. Where is the outrage against the congress?


And this one is far worse:


i'm sure there will be saner parties, but where I live, i highly doubt it. Call all government to count or just leave your posters home. What it boils down to is a "if you don't agree with me, then your a (fill in blank with whatever ideological buzz word the right doesn't understand)." It's stupid.
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Raising taxes does nothing but reduce the flow of revenue to the federal government. It is thievery for the government to take my tax money and give it to someone who does not even pay income tax. These protests have been a long time coming and it is about time.
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And yet what are they protesting?? Taxes?
Yes, and the out of control spending. People are not stupid they see what is coming down the road, and know who is really going to pay for all of this spending.
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And yet what are they protesting?? Taxes? We have some of the lowest taxes in the industrial/post-industrial world. Low taxes are actually part of the problem. Neither party wants to be seen as tax raisers, so they cut taxes with absolutely no desire or intention of cutting spending. The conservative hero Reagan raised taxes a few times. What these people protesting do not realize is that taxes are not the problem, I would have no problem having higher taxes if the taxes that we already had were used to improve the lives of the average american citizen. Not to line the pocket books of the richest people in the country. Instead of improving the education system, fixing social security, or any of the dozens of other worthwhile things we could do with tax dollars, we have given something along the lines of what 2.5 trillion dollars to a bunch of rich (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bags who needed the money because they screwed everything up!! If that is what my taxes are used for I don't want to give my taxes. If my taxes are used to continue the useless drug war, increase the wealth of the already obscenely wealthy, or any of the dozens of other useless things we spend money on, then count me in on the protest. But that is not what these people are protesting, they are just protesting taxes and spending, because they have bought the lie that taxes and government spending are bad. They are not bad if we actually assured our tax dollars were spent on worthwhile endeavors.
Now that I can protest against, but I would get bullied at these rallies big time. It's craziness that these people think they are being inclusive at all.
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