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Just take it as a lesson learned. Media bias is a reality conservatives are going to need to learn to work around if they want to regain any semblance of respect as a viable movement.

I just don't get what complaining about media bias accomplishes, as far as promoting your agenda.
Complaining or criticizing? If you dont speak about something wheres the hope
of making more people aware?
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On a possibly related noted there was a local cast here in Houston of a rally and Ford Atkinson (sp) was reporting. When asked about the political vibe he said "its fairly bypartisan... but mostly Republicans." Then a crowd started yelling at him, he looked around and they cut the feed.

Of course there was no interviews in what I saw, just labeling. I know of 2 democrats who went to the rally in downtown.
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Complaining or criticizing? If you dont speak about something wheres the hope
of making more people aware?
Well a few thoughts:

[1] Do you think people are unaware that media bias exists?

[2] Do you think people care? We do, after all, have an option in choosing the media we watch or read.

[3] Do you think if people are aware of media bias, that media bias will no longer be a problem?

If you want to expose media bias, what do you hope to accomplish? It just seems to be a distraction of the real issue (or what should be the real issue for the right): improving their image.
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[1] Do you think people are unaware that media bias exists?
Current events junkies like the folks here, no.

A lot of average Americans, yes. I think they vastly under estimate it.

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[2] Do you think people care? We do, after all, have an option in choosing the media we watch or read.
People who dont care are the ones who dont know, because they dont care,
they are the ones you have to tell.

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[3] Do you think if people are aware of media bias, that media bias will no longer be a problem?
No.

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If you want to expose media bias, what do you hope to accomplish? It just seems to be a distraction of the real issue (or what should be the real issue for the right): improving their image.
Why are you so interested in discouraging debate over media bias?
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I'm not interested in discouraging debate of media bias. I have an interest in seeing a resurgence of the Republican party. It's generally been my perception than when a single party has almost limitless power of government, America suffers. So I have an interest in seeing Democrats brought down several notches and Republicans brought up several notches. I don't believe in either party, and find both to be too similar for my tastes. But seeing as we are stuck with this two-party system, I am a practical guy and am willing to work with what is in front of me.

I'm trying to encourage a change in strategy for Republicans.

A scenario:

[1] The video gains greater circulation, and people respond negatively to the protesters' behavior.

[2] The Republicans respond by saying that it's the media's fault.

Does that sound like a very convincing argument? It does not address the underlying issue: many of the moderates and moderate Republicans are turned off by the rabid behavior of some conservatives, believing that behavior to be a staple of the Republican party. This video simply reaffirms their concerns. Republicans have drifted to the fringes of conservatism, and in the process alienated the more moderate members who would have voted for them.

Republicans are stuck in the trees and cannot see the forest. Media bias is irrelevant; you said yourself you don't expect any change to result from greater exposure of media bias. But your image problem is very real and something you can change. That is the point after all, right? Presenting a message that is appealing to the masses while sticking to the fundamentals of your party.

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Media bias is irrelevant;
Delusional.

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you said yourself you don't expect any change to result from greater exposure of media bias.
I said I didnt expect the media to change, that's a very different statement.

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But your image problem is very real and something you can change. That is the point after all, right? Presenting a message that is appealing to the masses while sticking to the fundamentals of your party.
I didnt see any behavior from the protesters in that video that would be alarming
to Conservatives. The first guy just said "term limits" and "Obamas a fascist" in
such a mellow voice he looked half asleep, and the second guy called the asinine
"reporter" who wouldnt let him talk "mam" over and over.
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Is'nt it obvious why the comparison between Hitler and bush is fitting .... while its just silly to try this with Obama?

Bush manufactured the un-necessary killing of some 100,000 Iraqis ...and 4,000 GI's ...in this modern era. He attacked a foreign nation ...based on deliberate ginned up rationale.

Why ...why ...won't these christians awcknowledge the killing of the Iraqi people ...the mass graves dug in Iraq on bush behalf?

How many people has Obama killed without justification?

Bush.. got you people so greased up the DIXIE CHICKS ..the DIXIE CHICKS ...were in danger!!

Look ... the right has done nothing but whine ...and have morphed into America's ...GREATEST VICTIMS!!

They spent the day ...being played like fools as they rally behind the organized gatherings ...financed by LOBBYISTS and TAX EVADING CORPORATIONS. How stupid are these people...that they are so easy to be coerced into acting against their own interests?

When you morons wake up ...and get angry over the credit card companies ..and insurance companies who rape the American people at will ...corporations who ..I am sure would be cuddled and enabled by the right were they in power ...when you get angry against that ...I'll actually consider joining you.

But for decades under republican rule these corporations do what they will to enslave people ...and feed you with the personal responsibility fart ..as they stack the deck against the average American ...and you can't see that.

Against illegal immigration ...how come in a state like GA ...southern state run by republicans ....is under seige by illegal mexicans? How come ...ask any Georgian why this is happening with a republican governor and senator? Know why morons ...because its the greedy republicans who actually pay these mexicans and profit from the cheap labor.

I wish Obama would get serious and start clubbing you idiots where you gather ...because all these mindless activity does is eventually spawn killers like the Pittsburgh killer who kill 3 cops recently. Yep... killed 3 cops because of the mindless chumped up assertions that Obama is going to take his guns.

Stick a fork in it ...the right is brain dead!
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Is'nt it obvious why the comparison between Hitler and bush is fitting .... while its just silly to try this with Obama?
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Bush manufactured the un-necessary killing of some 100,000 Iraqis ...and 4,000 GI's ...in this modern era. He attacked a foreign nation ...based on deliberate ginned up rationale.
There was no quota for killing in the Iraq war and that vast majority of Iraqi
deaths were from sectarian warfare and Islamic terrorist insurgents.

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Why ...why ...won't these christians awcknowledge the killing of the Iraqi people ...the mass graves dug in Iraq on bush behalf?
Saddam was ousted quickly and was a relatively low casualty operation. The
death tolls rose precipitously as Islamic violence broke out.

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Look ... the right has done nothing but whine ...and have morphed into America's ...GREATEST VICTIMS!!
The Left has been protesting about everything from endangered mice to a
strong wind since the sixties... but Conservatives have one event and their
suddenly habitual whiners?
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It doesn't matter if your biased for the Left or the Right, you pursue that in
"interviews" with guests on a show or slanted commentary, what your not
supposed to do is cover an event by becoming part of it. She didnt get pictures
and their comments for the record, she acted like a counter protester.

Besides, if she were so freaking smart she would remember stuff like this:





So you think posting photoshopped lies is going to help the "right" at this point. The picture you have posted in the middle was proven long ago to be fake.
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So you think posting photoshopped lies is going to help the "right" at this point. The picture you have posted in the middle was proven long ago to be fake.
There are far too many examples of the same thing for your assertion to be
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