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Old 04-17-2009, 05:31 AM
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steveo, that is where you are wrong. The facts don't matter. It's who is speaking is all that matters.

Replies to your post should point that out to you. This is where we have come to with respect to politics in the USA. If the messenger is liked, then the message does not matter. It's style, not substance. It's sound bites, not the whole story.
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I dont get how republicans are using the re-distribution of wealth arguement? What wealth is being redistributed? All I see is the middle class workers losing more jobs and bankers getting a lot of money. Obama is giving the top 1% money and he may not be giving middle class a lot in terms of redistributing money in the pockets of the middle class at all. But he is building a system for the middle class to have jobs and when they get that job being able to afford to move into a home.
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Nor does the information being from the Heritage Foundation make it true, accurate, compelling, insightful, or unbiased.
Well then. disprove it.....for the third time!
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I dont get how republicans are using the re-distribution of wealth arguement? What wealth is being redistributed? All I see is the middle class workers losing more jobs and bankers getting a lot of money. Obama is giving the top 1% money and he may not be giving middle class a lot in terms of redistributing money in the pockets of the middle class at all. But he is building a system for the middle class to have jobs and when they get that job being able to afford to move into a home.
please explaion how "plan Obama" is building a system of jobs in THE DREADED PRIVATE SECTOR which are sustaining. or, are the "jobs" government funded jobs, including those at GM, which are more of a drain on those left working in the DREADED PRIVATE SECTOR. There is only so much money that can be taken from non government employees before it runs out, which also included welfare and bailout recipients.

The government actually needs the private sector to grow and be viable in order to pay for the socialist agenda; however, if you've always been at the teat of the government, it's tough to see reality.

The best thing that Obama could do is to give tax cuts to those who work, stop the bailouts, let the economy rebound as it will. THen, if he still has support for moving the country further left, begin the transformation to socialism. He would then have the revenue. Without having the revenue first, and just spending, the outcome is clear as day.
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First of all, in this case, using a blog piece by the Heritage Foundation, a neocon think tank, does matter.

The neoconservative ideology of the past 40 years is what you're using to refute and rebut Obama's tax policy? Please tell me you have something more in your grab bag other then the old "trickle down" economics crap that has made the rich richer and the poor poorer?

I think we've all seen how well that worked. No thanks.
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Nor does the information being from the Heritage Foundation make it true, accurate, compelling, insightful, or unbiased.
My thought is their motto, is the key:

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A right wing study. LOL
Prove them wrong then rather than dismiss them.
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WOW! A GOP owned and operated think-tank dscredits a democrat plan?

Who'd a thunk it?
Fiscal conservatives, that's who. Are they wrong?
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Nor does the information being from the Heritage Foundation make it true, accurate, compelling, insightful, or unbiased.
Well then dispute it rather than dismiss it if it is wrong, if you can't then I understand.
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First of all, in this case, using a blog piece by the Heritage Foundation, a neocon think tank, does matter.

The neoconservative ideology of the past 40 years is what you're using to refute and rebut Obama's tax policy? Please tell me you have something more in your grab bag other then the old "trickle down" economics crap that has made the rich richer and the poor poorer?

I think we've all seen how well that worked. No thanks.
Before October 2008, were the poor really getting poorer? This seems to be indispute. This was the facade of Congress for the past 2 years, that our country was broken (aside from the banking system, claimed Democrats...that part was fine). They claimed the country needed fixing.

Now that Dems mucked it up trying to put bad-creditors in housing they couldn't afford, and denying that anything would lead to this...now, yes...maybe the poor is getting poorer. But, it certainly wasn't trickle down economics...there was a bigger pie, more to give to the poor. As we see Charities shrivel up as Obama's policies (although we sure get plenty of "patriotic" lectures) make it harder to give...more expensive to give...then we'll see the poor get poorer.
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