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Old 04-17-2009, 06:08 AM
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I dont get how republicans are using the re-distribution of wealth arguement? What wealth is being redistributed? All I see is the middle class workers losing more jobs and bankers getting a lot of money. Obama is giving the top 1% money and he may not be giving middle class a lot in terms of redistributing money in the pockets of the middle class at all. But he is building a system for the middle class to have jobs and when they get that job being able to afford to move into a home.
Where do you think he is getting the money to give to the middle class and poor?
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Ok Ladies, I know Heritage is a conservative operation, but pointing that out doesn't disprove what they are saying.

This is the second time that I have typed this, so you people need to quit attacking the source and just prove it wrong.
Did I say anything about it not being true? Why are you being so defensive? If you are confident that it is accurate then you should not be disturbed by my comment.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:10 AM
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please explaion how "plan Obama" is building a system of jobs in THE DREADED PRIVATE SECTOR which are sustaining. or, are the "jobs" government funded jobs, including those at GM, which are more of a drain on those left working in the DREADED PRIVATE SECTOR. There is only so much money that can be taken from non government employees before it runs out, which also included welfare and bailout recipients.

The government actually needs the private sector to grow and be viable in order to pay for the socialist agenda; however, if you've always been at the teat of the government, it's tough to see reality.

The best thing that Obama could do is to give tax cuts to those who work, stop the bailouts, let the economy rebound as it will. THen, if he still has support for moving the country further left, begin the transformation to socialism. He would then have the revenue. Without having the revenue first, and just spending, the outcome is clear as day.
Tax cuts for merely those who work? Only those who work pay taxes. Government isnt giving you a break on food tax. Stores are.

But what ever you may think he is building a system of creating jobs. Infrastructure project will create jobs. They will just be government jobs and contracts. He is starting from the bottom up and worrying about job creation for the blue collar worker. The right just seems to think the white collar worker provides the jobs for blue collar workers. But how can white collar workers provide jobs for the blue collar workers when the middle class isnt buying products at a rate in which white collar workers can provide jobs for those type jobs? We literally hit the reset button and we saved the game at the first Bush administration and America was founded on the majority and built up by the majority. So it can make sense.

And also on the flip side troops who come home and wish to go to work. You can even argue not giving tax cuts to the middle class and jobs they will most likely get hired to do is not supporting our veterans. Because when most troops end their service the majority usually falls under the title middle class.

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My thought is their motto, is the key:

The Heritage Foundation is committed to building an America where freedom, opportunity, prosperity and civil society flourish.
Neo-conservatism isn't in the best interest of civil society. It's a society in which only the rich are prosperous. It's also a society where peace has no chance either.
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First of all, in this case, using a blog piece by the Heritage Foundation, a neocon think tank, does matter.

The neoconservative ideology of the past 40 years is what you're using to refute and rebut Obama's tax policy? Please tell me you have something more in your grab bag other then the old "trickle down" economics crap that has made the rich richer and the poor poorer?

I think we've all seen how well that worked. No thanks.
Care to explain how or are you just going to dismiss it as well? I will understand if you can't as well. I know how hard it is for the left to debate facts and how they would rather choose the easy way out and and choose to dismiss the source because it goes against their ideology.
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Before October 2008, were the poor really getting poorer? This seems to be indispute. This was the facade of Congress for the past 2 years, that our country was broken (aside from the banking system, claimed Democrats...that part was fine). They claimed the country needed fixing.

Now that Dems mucked it up trying to put bad-creditors in housing they couldn't afford, and denying that anything would lead to this...now, yes...maybe the poor is getting poorer. But, it certainly wasn't trickle down economics...there was a bigger pie, more to give to the poor. As we see Charities shrivel up as Obama's policies (although we sure get plenty of "patriotic" lectures) make it harder to give...more expensive to give...then we'll see the poor get poorer.

Well, I truly hope you're among the top 5% in terms of income in this country, because, up until now, if you weren't, you were getting screwed by your rich brethren and their lackeys in the White House.

Here's a much more in depth, reliable study. Not one done by rich people, funded by rich people, that has promoted the failed Reaganomics policies of the past 40 years that has directly led to the global economic crisis we're in now that has made the top 5% richer to the detriment of the 95% of the rest of us.

Note the recommendations they make. Sound familiar?

http://www.epi.org/studies/pulling08/4-9-08sfp.pdf
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Care to explain how or are you just going to dismiss it as well? I will understand if you can't as well. I know how hard it is for the left to debate facts and how they would rather choose the easy way out and and choose to dismiss the source because it goes against their ideology.
See my previous post.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:36 AM
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Well, I truly hope you're among the top 5% in terms of income in this country, because, up until now, if you weren't, you were getting screwed by your rich brethren and their lackeys in the White House.

Here's a much more in depth, reliable study. Not one done by rich people, funded by rich people, that has promoted the failed Reaganomics policies of the past 40 years that has directly led to the global economic crisis we're in now that has made the top 5% richer to the detriment of the 95% of the rest of us.

Note the recommendations they make. Sound familiar?

http://www.epi.org/studies/pulling08/4-9-08sfp.pdf
This is a study based on "incomes". I am refering to the quality of life, and standard of living. If the top 5% of incomes grew, then don't you think they had more to give? And not only charity, but welfare? Don't you think the taxes they pay allowed (or could allow) for expanded welfare and social programs.

It is WONDERFUL that our top 5% income earners got richer...it does trickle down in other ways besides jobs. One could make an arguement that the more that top 5% could give to the poor or pay in taxes, the more they found it harder to break out of the larger hand-out....and find work or pay for their own housing.

I am not anti-social programs, we should take care of our poor. But, I am against this anti-rich and anti-private sector kick that Obama is on.
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WOW! A GOP owned and operated think-tank dscredits a democrat plan?

Who'd a thunk it?
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President Obama also claimed that his tax policies cut taxes for the most number of workers ever. This is flat out false. The credits in the so-called stimulus phase out for anyone making over $95,000 ($190,000 for married filers), so a large number of workers are excluded from claiming any portion of them. The 2003 tax cuts applied to all workers because it reduced all income tax rates. It also did not limit the tax cut to earned income, as the stimulus tax cut did, and exclude income from social security and pensions. By all measures the 2003 tax rate reductions applied to more workers and taxpayers than the stimulus tax cuts.
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Where do you think he is getting the money to give to the middle class and poor?
They are making it with their magic machine and there is also china. How bout are grandkids you forgot about them.
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