I haven't posted on this site for awhile, it's a waste of time to be honest. You can't reason with some people, they just keep on believing cultish bs. How can you support an administration who allies themselves with the very forces of evil they preach against? You know what they say about pointing the finger at others--three more are pointing back at yourself.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7245019

If Iran and N.K. are an axis of evil, why don't they align like the real axis forces in both world wars and use preemptive force? I'm not saying they aren't, but they are not much less evil then the United States. If Iran invaded Iraq right now, we would have to bring back the draft and it would devastate our economy even more then it already is. I don't know if we could even have a draft, we would simply just give up more then likely. It would be political and economic suicide.

They wouldn't even need to invade, they could just shoot some missiles at us and make us invade them. If they are such a threat, what are they waiting for??? If anyone believes our all volunteer military could take another country much stronger then Iraq was before we invaded THE SECOND TIME, after their military was wrecked from the first war, you are seriously out of touch with the real situation. The military is barely making it as it is in Iraq, as they are having severe recruiting problems and supply shortages. So, what is stopping the Iranians? I thought they don't care if they are blown up! And what is stopping North Korea from firing nuclear missiles at Japan right now? Hm...that's a mystery!

Yeah.....well, that's why we don't pay YOU the big bucks to make these decisions....and you weren't elected to anything so you don't get to make those decisions as to who gets attacked and who doesn't. Not to mention that YOU also don't have all the information at hand that the president does.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Can our current administration make us look even more like a big fat pathetic hypocrisy? I’m starting to think that’s an impossibility.

...which are controlled by central reserve bank interests...war is good for them to make money...inflation is good for them, depression is good for them... it doesn't matter who is control of the government...money rules all, the banks rule all.
Which is a reason the Revolutionary war was started in the first place, we just forgot that, induced by money.

Let's see. First of all, the President doesn't even make any decisions. He is simply a facial appearence of a party of a conglomeration of interests behind him. The President doesn't even write his own speeches anymore, and the debates you see on television are the most difficult work the President does all year long. The President is simply a PR figure, that is about it. You really think Bush is an intelligent person? He is slightly intelligent, but not more then the average person. Almost anyone could debate like he did on television. Cheney is much more intelligent then Bush, and other members of his staff are the same way. They are the ones who make the analysis and decisions, and they are also the one's on the phone with corporate business interests.

And I'm not one to say conspiracy theory, but seriously, as smart as the party is, you would wonder why they blatantly ignore everything the CIA actually gave them on Iraq in the first place, and on Bin Laden attacking. You have to remember, that 9/11 commission that actually found stuff and accused the party of incompetence was largely CHOOSEN by Bush to begin with! Remember when he tried stopping it? What did he have to hide? And, of course, the WMD information, what a joke that was. And also, I remember when we were supposed to go into Iraq and be done within a few months at the expense of 20 billion dollars as the oil in Iraq would pay for it all. And meanwhile, Iran has that nuclear facility just staring at us for the whole world to see, and they have missiles imported from Ukraine that are capable of holding nuclear warheads--and remember when they were developing that missile that was capable of launching satellites and then said "we're not building it anymore". Oh, but we go after some ambiguously covered trucks and a dictator that has had the U.N. all over him for a decade and his military severely weakened. The government has and always will be a bunch of liars with their own agendas and an excellent grasp of PR. Bored

Hey cookie, I think they can be even more hypocritical, they seem to have a knack at it. Hahahaha. Just when you think they're done, another story breaks loose like this one. I'm surprised someone hasn't found the U.S. selling China missile technology underground or something like that. It really wouldn't surprise me to be honest with you. Of course, they don't even need too--Israel does it for them. China has f-16 technology among other things thanks to them--oh, but Rice is pointing the finger at the EU now. lmao.

a board where I am not actually furthest to the left, wow

The arguement that the President had data on WMD etc not available to the public has pretty much fallen by the wayside based not only on what has been released on the data and but events in Iraq. More to the point perhaps the Senate and House senior members of the Intelligence committee (who saw what the President did) have come out with statments that there was no classified data to justify the President's actions beyond what is generally available (they did so last year) .

That being the case I dont think the administration deliberately lied, except to itself perhaps. It thought there were WMD, it simply did so based on evidence that would not pass the laugh test. People can make themselves believe what they want, in this case that is what happened.

You are right, it may not have been intentional for many of the staff, especially Bush. They saw what they wanted to see, and a lot of their actions were based on subconcious motivations. That happens a lot with super powerful people for some reason, I mean, Hitler actually believed he was Jesus reincarnated or something close to that, and that he was meant to bring about the millenium. He also thought he could take on the entire world, like many Americans on this board seem to think. I'm all about spreading Democracy, but maybe the best way to do that is to lead by example. Hm....just a thought.

And for any who believe we are spreading Freedom with Democracy, that is not necessarily true. Democracy is simply majority rule, it has nothing to do with freedom whatsoever. If you gave Democracy to a slave who desires their slavery, they will simply vote in their slavery. I know of phsyical slaves who are more free then some people who have the ability to vote. Freedom is a state of mind, it has nothing to do with government. In many ways, Americans are less free then many others. We simply believe in material desires that are neverending. A muslim in Iraq would argue we are the slaves from their point of view. Kinda ironic, no?

in so far as the NY Times fishwrap reported just last week the WMD's did exist in Iraq and were transported out (probably to Syria) prior to the US reaching Baghdad.

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..why don't we go get it? After all, we wouldn't want SYRIA to have WMDs, would we?

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The dominoes are falling and Syria is next...

One authentic* internet dollar for the poster who can guess the dominoe AFTER Syria.


*(not authentic)

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