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Old 04-26-2004, 12:54 PM
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Default John Kerry has already stated that when he gets elected this

November, there will be NO draft...
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Old 04-26-2004, 01:05 PM
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November, there will be NO draft...
I actually did vote for the 87 billion before I voted against it? or
I own lots of SUV's, I own no SUV's, My family owns the SUV's

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And you actually believe him?
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He already said he's staying. The only thing different he would do is get help from the UN. Good luck there.
You are funny Truebrit
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Old 04-26-2004, 01:07 PM
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November, there will be NO draft...
I'm voting Kerry in November, but even so, I know better than to believe what any politician tells me.

And that's what kills me.

I've found that I'm voting for the lesser of two evils more and more often.

The lines are blurred these days as to where the Republican Party ends and the Democratic Party begins.
They all bow to the special interests with the same end result. We the people get screwed.
The only reason I won’t vote for a third party candidate is because I’d be throwing my vote away and I can’t stand to see another 4 years of Bush.

It’s funny how my company has Conflict of Interests policies, but the President of the U.S. can make himself and his friends and family rich…er, more rich, at the expense of our servicemen.
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Old 04-26-2004, 01:08 PM
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Default Therese..please explain your understanding..

..of the John Kerry statement "I voted for it before I voted against it".

I have a very strong suspicion your assumption/understanding of what he said has been twisted by simple-minded right-wing BS artists...
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Default I sure will Truebrit

Since I saw the speach, his complaint in a nutshell was that he wanted to know where the funding was going to come from. He wanted Iraq to pay.
Everyone knows what his reasoning was. But as I have stated in another thread somewhere on this site, it is my feeling that he needed something to set him apart from George Bush so he refused to fund the troops. The problem with this is THE TROOPS NEEDED THE MONEY AND IF YOU COMPARE IT TO A CHILD NEEDING MEDICAL ATTENTION YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT YOU TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AND PAY FOR IT LATER. The troops need wasn't a want it was a need.
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Old 04-26-2004, 01:28 PM
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Default Okay Therese...thanks for responding.. you are WRONG

of course....

He voted FOR the amendment that would have made bush get the money from somewhere OTHER than adding to the deficit. That amendment failed, and he then cast a protest vote AGAINST the funds on principal. The vote was overwhelmingly going to pass, the troops were going to get the money so he cast a PROTEST vote that he disagreed with where the funds were going to come from....NOT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE USED FOR...

I hope that clears it up for you.
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How some people actually believe this country is worth dying for?
How they consider it an honor to serve their country?
How they actually volunteer despite what they know is in store for them?

It must really eat away at those who hope to see America fail.

God Bless our Troops!
I see. So just because we don't like Smirky, that means we don't share those same values you mention??????
Nothing in that post of mine accused anyone on this thread, on this board, or on this planet (except for those hoping to see America fail) If you think that describes you then I guess you might be offended. However, I didn't accuse those who don't like "smirky"...as you so eloquently put it. You're giving a knee-jerk reaction. You've mistakenly assumed that this is about you, and that you speak for others by using the word "we".

But that's okay... I'm used to all that now. So tell me R, are all libs like you?
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To you MarkH: the point of the thread wasn't about the draft, it was about what the voluntary military who are actually serving over in Iraq think about the war and if they are re-enlisting knowing they could make the ultimate sacrifice says something about the value of this war.
That's probably true for some. Maybe even most. You don't know.

Some could stay in because there's no jobs and their position doesn't involve combat duty.

Others simply may be unsure of the unknown and be hesistant to try somethig new.

Most people don't handle change very well and look to avoid it. That's part of the human condition; we like least that which is inevitable.

Without any sort of meaningful survey to indicate why, you're committing a fallacy of accident. Or you could call it a sweeping generalization. You've attributed a general action with a specific motivation without cause.
And you're simply blowing it out your ass! Point is....YOU don't know anymore than Therese. But HER speculations made more sense than YOURS did.
Try re-reading it but this time with the words.
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To you MarkH: the point of the thread wasn't about the draft, it was about what the voluntary military who are actually serving over in Iraq think about the war and if they are re-enlisting knowing they could make the ultimate sacrifice says something about the value of this war.
That's probably true for some. Maybe even most. You don't know.

Some could stay in because there's no jobs and their position doesn't involve combat duty.

Others simply may be unsure of the unknown and be hesistant to try somethig new.

Most people don't handle change very well and look to avoid it. That's part of the human condition; we like least that which is inevitable.

Without any sort of meaningful survey to indicate why, you're committing a fallacy of accident. Or you could call it a sweeping generalization. You've attributed a general action with a specific motivation without cause.
And you're simply blowing it out your ass! Point is....YOU don't know anymore than Therese. But HER speculations made more sense than YOURS did.
Try re-reading it but this time with the words.
You have to understand... Therese believes this is a holy war, i.e. that Bush is sent from God, so all the soldiers who die will go directly to heaven. This is just like the Muslims, except of course, our guys REALLY, REALLY get to go to heaven , their guys don't.

She's "okay" with the our guy's deaths. Death = Heaven! (Well, if you are Christian. Otherwise, Death = Hell)
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Since I saw the speach, his complaint in a nutshell was that he wanted to know where the funding was going to come from. He wanted Iraq to pay.
Everyone knows what his reasoning was. But as I have stated in another thread somewhere on this site, it is my feeling that he needed something to set him apart from George Bush so he refused to fund the troops. The problem with this is THE TROOPS NEEDED THE MONEY AND IF YOU COMPARE IT TO A CHILD NEEDING MEDICAL ATTENTION YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT YOU TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AND PAY FOR IT LATER. The troops need wasn't a want it was a need.
He voted AGAINST it for one reason. Because he was in the middle of the Primary campaign where much of his base is anti-war. John Kerry was one of ONLY 12 Senators who voted AGAINST it. And so did John Edwards. They were BOTH competing with Anti-War Howard Dean who was in the lead at the time. In fact, Sen John Kerry had this to say earlier about the $87 billion dollars:

"Asked if he would vote against the $87 billion if his amendment did not pass, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible."

Kerry argued that his amendment offered a way to do it properly, "but I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job."


John Kerry would sell his soul........


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