While some of there information is informative I wouldn't be a supporter of that group of vegitarian extremists.
Primarily because I'm a fully fledged member of the meat eaters club and I live in a primarily agriculural area.
Im more concerned about insuring a safe food supply and humane treatment than been so idealogically driven.

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Back in the early nineties I was invited to a focus group by a research company. We had to express our opinions in short sentences about issues and groups. I did not know what a Vegan was and neither did this other guy. It was his turn to answer first for the question what is a Vegan and do you agree with the groups philosophy. The guy simply said that he thought that Vegans were an organization of Vegetarian Pedophiles from California. Most of us almost fell on the floor laughing.

From that day on when I hear the word Vegan I think Vegetarian Pedophiles from California.

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Whenever vegans are mentioned I feel a yearn for a huge well barbecued beef. Yummy.....

A little warning regarding the rules here and the above post. You are a the line, don't overstep it. Equating vegans with pedophiles are not acceptable. The above post are tolerated ONLY due to it's context.

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I am for PETA believe it or not....

One day, the humans of this world may have to turn to cannabilism to survive....


and I like grain-fed meat.

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"I haven't made you angry, have I?" -Malcolm Reynolds

I think there is an easy solution to quiet people on both sides down.

Stop Monsanto from injecting hormones into cows for milk and beek production.
Treat the cows witgh mroe freaking respect than caging them up in little cells and letting them stand in feet of their own fecal matter.

Meat and milk need to be HEALTHY, not pumped full of hormones.

Recent studies have shown that the growth hormones in the beef and milk have lead to WIDESPREAD instances of children maturing sexually and such 3-5 years before normal!
These hormones are effecting people in a negative fashion.
And you guys yell and scream about 12 year olds having babies? Well, with puberty lowering the bar, youre gonna have alot more of that.

Watch a documentary called "The Corporation." It outlines some investigative reporters for Fox News that were doing a story on the growth hormones that maker cow udders swell, which ends up producing more milk per cow, but also causes udders to become infected, green, and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), thus increasing the amount of PUSS and other nasty stuff in milk. It also causes some cows to develop diseases and die in a very painful way. Do you really want to drink milkj from a sick/dying cow? I know I dont.
Of course the documentary got struck down by FGox, and was never aired, and the reporters were both harrassed, amnd eventually fired. Why? Because Monsanto has a large pull in Fox News. Thats what you get when corp[orations mess with our airwaves. The truth gets squashed.
Ill be drinking organic milk until these a holes shape up and stop pumping food full of hormones.

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...PETA's Unbelievable 'Apology'


May 12, 2005


Among the dozens of offensive and tasteless stunts perpetrated by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) over the years, few provoked as much anger as the group's "Holocaust on Your Plate" program. "Holocaust" was a traveling photo installation that compared livestock animals to Nazi death-camp victims. The exhibit's last panel, titled "The Final Indignity," juxtaposed a pile of dead Jews with a pile of dead pigs. Last week, as Jews observed Holocaust Remembrance Day, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk conceded "we know that we have caused pain" and offered a half-hearted mea culpa. The Jerusalem Post reported that although Newkirk offered a "terse apology," most of her statement was "devoted to explaining the rationale behind launching the campaign" in the first place.
Newkirk's statement, notes the Post, was only "e-mailed to the Jewish press and Jewish rights groups." It doesn't appear anywhere on PETA's own website. And PETA -- a group that issues 50 press releases in a typical week -- did not devote one to its supposed apology. PETA's website still contains over 200 pages discussing the "Holocaust" campaign, including over 100 press releases promoting it. And Newkirk's statement made no mention of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, to which PETA should apologize for misappropriating the pictures used in the exhibit.

Bioethicist and Discovery Institute Fellow Wesley J. Smith skewered PETA's apparently insincere shift toward respectability in National Review Online. Smith sees in PETA's non-apology apology "that old standby of the unrepentant who know that public relations problems necessitate the appearance of contrition." Indeed, a group like PETA that lives for "total animal liberation" can hardly be expected to truly apologize for its tactics, however outrageous.

We're not holding our breath, but PETA should try its hand at genuine apologies. For example, an apology seems in order for propagandizing millions of children against meat and milk without their parents' permission.

PETA should also apologize to the 10,000 Virginia residents who entrusted PETA with their dogs and cats, only to have the group put them to death.

PETA should apologize to former First Lady Nancy Reagan for using (without permission) the image of the late President in a billboard suggesting that eating meat gave him Alzheimer's Disease.

PETA should apologize to the family of the late fashion designer Gianni Versace. In the January 2000 issue of Genre magazine, PETA vice president Dan Mathews was asked to name gay men of the 20th century whom he most admired. Matthews named Andrew Cunanan, who murdered Versace in 1997, "because he got Versace to finally stop using furs."

PETA should apologize to Christians the world over for perverting scripture to claim that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian, and for running billboards that insist pigs "died for your sins."

And PETA should apologize to all Americans for offering rhetorical encouragement and financial support to domestic terror groups like the Animal Liberation Front.

Science gave a Parkinson's victim new life but animal rights activists called him a Nazi

Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday May 15, 2005
The Observer

Mike Robins is a man redeemed. Thanks to pioneering surgery, the debilitating effects of Parkinson's disease that were wrecking his life are now under tight control.

With the flick of a switch, he can turn off the uncontrollable tremors that stopped him holding down a job, having a social life or even getting to sleep. Not surprisingly, Robins reckons he is lucky to be fit and alive. Others are not so sure.

At a recent public meeting to discuss a proposed animal research centre in Oxford, 63-year-old Robins was jeered and ridiculed when he tried to show how surgery, perfected through animal experiments, had transformed his life.

'I was bayed at,' said Robins, a retired naval engineer from Southampton. 'Several hundred people were shouting. Some called out "Nazi!", "bastard!" and "Why don't you roll over and die!" I tried to speak, but was shouted down. It was utterly terrifying.'

The attack has shocked even hardened observers of vivisection debates. 'I have seen many unpleasant things at these debates, but to scream at a middle-aged man with Parkinson's disease and then tell him he deserved to die is the worst I have observed,' said Simon Festing, director of the Research Defence Society, which defends the scientific use of animals for experimentation.

The attack on Robins reveals the gulf now separating scientists who carry out animal experiments and opponents who believe they are immoral, an entrench ment that forms the background to the publication next week of a Nuffield Council for Bioethics report on animal experiments. Its authors, made up of supporters and opponents of the experiments, has established that both sides have legitimate ethical grounds for their beliefs. Their report will also attempt to highlight methods that might help each side understand the other's arguments. The attack on Robins demonstrates how difficult that task will be.

'I wanted people to see how a person can benefit from animal experiments,' said the Oxford surgeon Tipu Aziz who operated on Robins and spoke at the debate. 'That is why I asked Mike to appear at the debate. I am now very sorry I put him through that horrible ordeal. To these people, Mike's existence is a refutation of their core beliefs. They say animal experiments do no good. Then Mike stands up, switches his tremors on and off, and their arguments are blown away. That's why they shouted him down.'

Before his illness, Robins, a retired businessman, admits he was suspicious of animal experiments. Then he developed a tremor in his right hand. Doctors diagnosed stress. Only months later did he find he had Parkinson's disease, a condition affecting one in 100 people over 60, that causes tremors, facial paralysis and eventually severe physical disability. His tremors worsened and his speech became slurred. Robins, who is married with four children, was given L-dopa, but found, as others have done, it had no effect.

Robins's life continued to disintegrate. 'It was difficult to walk. I couldn't go to the pub or restaurant. My right hand was bouncing all over the place. I got very depressed. Even my family found it hard to be with me.'

Then Mike heard about research in which Parkinson's had been induced in macaque monkeys and controlled by drilling into their brains to destroy their subthalamic nuclei, the brain centre responsible for the disease. Aziz transferred this knowledge to humans and learnt how to drill into patients' brains, fit electrodes to their subthalamic nuclei and switch off their tremors.

'However, you have to remain conscious during the operation to help the surgeon guide the electrode,' said Robins. 'That puts some people off.' But not Robins. He had his brain opened up and an electrode inserted into his cortex. 'Finally it touched the nucleus and my tremors stopped instantly.'

Now Robins has a panel sewn into his chest and uses a gadget like a TV remote to control his symptoms. When Robins switches the current on his incapacitating symptoms - waving right hand and shaking right leg - disappear instantly. It was this striking demonstration of medical science that Robins hoped to give last month but was blocked because the meeting had been packed by anti-vivisectionists. 'I want to show them what had been done for me but found myself in a room full of 250 people who were baying for my blood. The venom was horrific.'

After trying, unsuccessfully, to show how his implant worked, Robins sat down. 'A handful of middle-aged women, the type you would meet in Sainsbury's every day, were sitting behind me. They started hissing in my ear: "You Nazi bastard. That's what they did in concentration camps".'

Women like these form the core of the animal rights campaign, says Simon Festing. 'They are often well-dressed and middle-class, but are religious in their fanaticism... Accusing opponents of being Nazis is also a common tactic.' Robins tried again to speak but was drowned out.

'It was if there had been a signal to shout me down. It was terrifying. On the other hand, I am not going to be silenced. Previous generations have had to go into war and be terrified before going into action. So just because I am being frightened by these activists is not a good enough excuse not to speak out. I will do this again.'

http://Ill be drinking organic milk ...ll of hormones

The problem is that even your thoughtful, ethical position is viewed as anathema by PETA. They want nothing less than a completely VEGAN America.

Catz

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