I have no idea who he is (I am sure there are historians on this board who know him) and I would like your views on him as a politician.

But this is what he has to say. Of course..its "his opinion" but if he is a Reagan Republican, it makes it all the more interesting:

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi

Enjoy..

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Nice post. Thanks for that.

Is it possible that the country could rise up and toss these children from the thrown?

Nah, they'd just be killed. But we can dream.

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"What does a former president's son know about the Iraq war anyway?"
-- GW Bush when asked about Ron Reagan's negative comments, 6/25/2004.
www.BushZombie.com

Let's see......so he thinks that Bush has caused 1 bilion Muslims to hate Americans. And yet 9/11 happened just 232 days after Bush got into office....and was being planned WAY before Bush even starting running for president. Or maybe his argument would be that hijacking 4 commercial jets, slaughtering people on-board including the crews, and ramming them into the country's largest skyscrapers isn't HATE!! Maybe that was LOVE???? Does this guy conveniently overlook the fact that Saddam Hussein murdered thousands....probably millions of people in his lifetime for purely political purposes or because they didn't agree with him?

Look. These Islamic extremists declared Jihad (war) on us back in 1998 or before. Bin Laden told his followers to kill Americans....anywhere, anytime, and by any methods. Because they are not of ONE country or wear ONE countries uniforms....doesn't mean this isn't a war.

It's time some of these people wake up to this fact. How many more 9/11's will it take before they do?

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Many have said that the sanctions of Bush Elder slaughtered millions of women and children in Iraq by starving them and preventing medicine. While this was not the U.S. intention, we are a sophisticated nation and were told that this was happening. We also knew corruption of the process was likely...or should have known.

Galloway called it an infanticide that the U.S. backed. If this mass killing was caused by U.S. policy, then one can certainly understand that there is a significant angry (cumulative) backlash we are dealing with now.

There are 1.2 Billion Muslims on the planet with approximately 6 Million living in the U.S. I doubt all hate the U.S.

I remember Dennis Kusinich saying during the primaries that poverty is a weapon of mass destruction. When people feel they are going to die anyway, is it any wonder that violence is the result?

I do not condone violence, but surely we can see where the correlations between survival and violence overlap? Sanctions are a form of violence when they determine survival. We need a rulebook for situational humanitarianism perhaps.

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What is it about you people that you've ALWAYS got to try and find some way it HAD to be the fault of the U.S.? Everything that happens.....it must have been the U.S. at the root, eh? I've got news for ya Polcom: that's what the "Oil-for-Food" program was supposed to be. A way for Saddam to sell some oil in exchange for money to feed and take care of his people. But I guess to people like YOU....it was somehow the fault of the U.S. that instead of spending he money on his people....Saddam built lavish Palaces for himself and his goon sons. It was Saddam Hussein who let his people suffer; not the United States. BTW, it was UNITED NATIONS sanctions. A little fact you conveniently overlook.

Well, he's full of crap!


But it wasn't. Any such suffering was caused by Saddam Hussein. He is the one who didn't care a rat's arse about his people. He's the one who starved them. He's the one who put them in rape rooms and torture chambers. He's the one who put them in prisons never to be seen again. And he's the one who filled up the mass graves we've discovered. It's amazing to me that I'm even having to explain this to another American. Truly amazing!

I do too. I'm not the one who first mention hate...and how George W. Bush caused it.

And their quickest way out of poverty is to have freedom. Freedom to go to school....to build buisnesses, etc. And that's what they finally have a chance at. But we can't do it all; they must fight for it to take hold and for it to be lasting.

But you say nothing about what Saddam Hussein was doing to his people as their dictator. What about that violence? Or didn't you care? What chances at survival did they have under his dictatorship? I recall after we invaded that old man whom they found living in a hole under the floor of some home.....hiding for years from Saddam and his sons who he knew would kill him if they found him. It reminded me of Anne Frank's hiding from the Nazi's for years. This is how they lived under Saddam. You either did as he said, or you were killed. You were at his mercy for everything.

And you wonder why I believe this attitude exhibits a hate for America. Because I don't know what else it could be. Always thinking the worst of your own country.....looking for ways to demonize your own country......defending dictators.......it's an attitude I simply cannot relate to.
Or does the whole thing get better for you when a Democrat administration is leading us?

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

JP5, I started to reply to polcom's post, but I knew you would do a better job of it.

I was right.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Thanks. As you can see, I've about had it up to my eyeballs with these America-hating, Bush-hating, U.S. military-hating, corporation-hating people.

It truly sickens me.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

JP5 your reaction to my musings seems a bit over-the-top.


I am not certain what you do not understand nor why you want to insist I am anti-American?

You seem to think there is something wrong with self-critique--while I think democracy demands it. I am a moderate and love this country. Just because you label me otherwise--does not make it so.

(But I do see a God-Complex forming in JP5.)

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Pull your head out of your Arse.

PLEASE... DO NOT JUSTIFY IRAQ WITH 9/11.

9/11 HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ. I might as well use 9/11 as justification for killing you...it would make as much sense....none.

I am so sick of every fricking conversation on Iraq having the right wing war and death mongers start throwing 9/11 around. Saddam's Iraq was not a breeding ground for terrorists, until after we got there. Yes, there was a terrorist in Kurdish controlled northern Iraq, and the Kurdish government asked for our help in getting rid of him.. What did mister terrorists fighter Bush do.. He blocked three seperate attacks to kill the terrorist.

So if you want to argue that lying to the world to justify killing tens of thousands of innocent people, including thousands of Americans in Iraq is right, do so without using 9/11 or you are just plain talking with your head placed firmly where the sun doesn't shine.

Galloway said nothing about hating America, JP5. Its just proves your ignorance and idiocy how ramped up you get.

He is against the Bush administration.
He was against the war.
He was against the US sanctions that killed millioins of people.

You condone killing. He doesnt.

So SHUT UP.

You obviously dont know ANYTHING about whats going on.

Frankly, im tired of you destroying every thread with your insanity, and I think alot of other people are too.
We try and talk about things he says specifically, and all you do is come in and spew your hatred for anyone who doesnt agree with you or the bush administration.

I wish there was a way to vote you out of your Mod position, because you certainly dont deserve it.

You need to stop destroying threads. Youve lost all credibility, and I dont think anyone takes you seriously other than a few other close minded fools.

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