I'm thinking the same about you.

Ordered them?????? BOTH CIA Directors agreed that the details and the specifics of the ideas being bantered around should not be shared with anybody. Cheney didn't ORDER them to do anything.

Just part of the story, though. "The initiative hadn't become fully operational at the time Mr. Panetta ended it." It was considered no big deal that he ended it...as it had never gotten off the floor anyway.

AND the Intelligence Committee was informed years ago....just after the president gave the authority to the CIA to come up with a program to get the al Qaeda leaders. So, what's your beef?

Maybe this will help you. Let me ask you this question to give you something to consider: Do you think that if there is to be a Predator Drone strike directed by the CIA at daybreak tomorrow morning, that the members of the Intelligence Committee have been informed of the specifics and details? The answer is no, they are not. BUT wait....that is an actual covert operation; not just some ideas and talk of a plan. So, what do you have to say about that?

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"If the President simply adds a couple of Republican solutions to a trillion dollar health care package that the American people don't support, it isn't bi-partisan. It's political cover," Rep Eric Cantor (R-Va.)

Your quote is broken again.

I'm betting that most of the people at the CIA hate Panetta. He's a political guy....a former Clinton Chief of Staff; not a CIA veteran. AND what's more, he's playing politics with intelligence and releasing Classified information to the world. I don't think they cotton to the Director doing that.

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"If the President simply adds a couple of Republican solutions to a trillion dollar health care package that the American people don't support, it isn't bi-partisan. It's political cover," Rep Eric Cantor (R-Va.)

I've explained Cheney's part now many, many times. He and the CIA Directors....BOTH of them, AGREED that the specifics and details being bantered around should not be shared. The Congress already had been informed that the CIA had been directed to come up with something. It's not required that they know all the details. The fewer people who know, the LESS chance it will end up on the front pages of the NYTimes.

I'm not sure what Panetta is doing. I think he's allowing himself to be used by Congressional Democrats in order to get the heat off of Nancy Pelosi and some of Obama's policy problems. Yes, he found out about and formally stopped something that had pretty much already been shelved anyway and so it was no big deal. I don't think he knew the Democrats in that meeting were going to run to the press with Classified information. But after they did, he decided not to go up against them and to play along....acting as if it was some kind of big deal. THAT's my impression and opinion of what happened anyway. Nobody knows for sure.

But now, thanks to these partisan Democrats on the Intelligence Committee, the whole world knows about some of the inner workings of our CIA.

BTW, since you guys are so concerned about if any laws were broken. WHAT LAWS DID THE DEMOCRATS ON THAT INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE BREAK BY TAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO THE PRESS???

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"If the President simply adds a couple of Republican solutions to a trillion dollar health care package that the American people don't support, it isn't bi-partisan. It's political cover," Rep Eric Cantor (R-Va.)

Do you have any source to back up that bet?

I thought it was Panetta who made the statement about this?

What constitutional authority does the Vice President have to tell the CIA to keep it a secret?

Yeah sure.

Did anyone ever read this?

The terrorist attacks gave Bush carte blanche to enforce two Executive Orders and the War Powers Act. Under these acts signed following September 11, the president could direct the military in the name of national security, and close off the press from what he and his administration is doing. The War Powers Act involves both the president and Congress. If Congress does not approve an act of war within 60 days, the president must withdrawal troops within 30 days. The Act does not cover CIA covert action, but it [itself] is not an addendum to The Constitution. It hasn't been added, just used. Bush declared a "war on terrorism." Congress has not declared war since the 1940s. However, Congress did authorize Bush to use "appropriate force to respond to the attacks," and clearly states that Iraq could only be attacked if it was involved. Iraq was not involved in September 11.

On November 1, 2001, Bush signed an order overriding the 1978, Presidential Records Act, created after the Nixon-Watergate scandal. Bush's order prevents access to all records, confidential or not, of his and of past presidencies. The only way one can view documents is through consent of both [that] former president and the incumbent president. Twelve days later, Bush signed an order that relieves him of international criminal liability as commander and chief of the armed forces; that no state, territory or foreign court, or international tribunal has the right to question his authority or limits of authority.

Would this give leniency in any way to the CIA?

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Dick Cheney told the CIA to hide an assassination program from Congress, with is a clear violation of US Law. The NATIONAL SECURITY ACT OF 1947 states that all intelligence programs must be available to Congress for review. Ordering an entire program to be concealed from Congress is not just creepy, it's criminal.

On his way out, Cheney had record breaking low approval ratings. He's also famous for:

- Cheney's private kill-squad

- Extensive US Torture Program

Also, as far as I know he shot his best friend in the face (then made his friend apologize). Do we really need to take him seriously on any political issue? He has no respect for the Law.

that fits with the Obama thing really well!

The bill passed on a 318-106 vote after members voted overwhelmingly to force the Obama administration to abide by conditions on IMF funding added by lawmakers when Congress passed a huge war funding bill last month.

President Barack Obama had said he could choose to ignore the conditions since they would interfere with his ability to conduct foreign policy.

(SOURCE)

yup ... and this is a Harvard Law Grad ...

how is our education system doing what it is supposed to be doing?
with a point blank disregard for the way our political system was structured by a politician who claimed to have been in 57 states?

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I want the people of America to be able to work less for the government and more for themselves.

Can you tell he was a Republican!

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Get your own thread.

You're post has nothing to do with Dick Cheney's apparently illegal actions. You aren't defending them, we assume you agree it was a crime committed by the former vice President.

Dick Cheney has some explaining to do.