Lawmaker says CIA director ended secret program - Page 32

Ronin Tetsuro · #**311** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by siddhartha

Nice post. A real thread killer! Congrats. BTW, didn't Panetta put a stop the program that never started?

That's what I've been asking these sloppy apologists over and over, no answers just yet.

Consmike · #**312** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by siddhartha

Nice post. A real thread killer! Congrats. BTW, didn't Panetta put a stop the program that never started?

HOw can a program be secret, if its not secret?

Sparks · #**313** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Consmike

HOw can a program be secret, if its not secret?

Well, that's the secret....

jackalope · #**314** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

Really? The Predator Drone strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan are not covert CIA operations? Are you sure you want to make that claim?

"CIA Predators flown covertly in Pakistan continue to focus on the United States’ principal target, Al Qaeda."

"The Pakistani reluctance may also reflect ambivalence in Islamabad over the CIA’s Predator program. The intelligence agency is in the midst of a campaign of strikes on Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan’s tribal frontier.
The most recent CIA strike came Tuesday, reportedly killing eight people in the South Waziristan region of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas Since August, the agency has carried out at least 55 strikes, compared with 10 reported attacks in 2006 and 2007 combined.

Despite Pakistan’s frequent complaints about the strikes, U.S. officials have said the missions are authorized by the Pakistani government. CIA officials credit Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, with providing on-the-ground information that often leads to Predator strikes. In turn, the CIA has shared sensitive imagery and intercepts with Pakistani counterparts."
http://sudhan.wordpress.com/2009/05/...ions-together/

PLUS, we don't know in advance of a strike and neither does the Congress----which is our point about ANY CIA covert operation. They know there is a Predator Drone CIA operation---just as they knew 8 years ago that Pres. Bush had directed the CIA to come up with ways to kill top al Qaeda leaders. They just don't know all the details and specifics. And that's the way it should be and always has been. For the Umpteenth time.....HAD THAT PROGRAM EVER MATERIALIZED into something they could act on, the Congress would have been informed that it was operational.

BTW, look for this news story to just fade away.....as the Dem leadership knows it's NOT a winner for them.

ahem.... I make a statement about Iraq and Afghanistan, and you go on about Pakistan? Geography lesson: Pakistan is a country. It's not part of Iraq, or part of Afghanistan.

Also, you just posted a news article about this covert program in Pakistan. Obviously this is not the program that Panetta called an emergency meeting with Congress to brief them about within 24 hrs of learning about it.

Please stop confusing the story with things that have nothing to do with it.

Dieter Lumpin · #**315** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

Really? The Predator Drone strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan are not covert CIA operations? Are you sure you want to make that claim?

"CIA Predators flown covertly in Pakistan continue to focus on the United States’ principal target, Al Qaeda."

"The Pakistani reluctance may also reflect ambivalence in Islamabad over the CIA’s Predator program. The intelligence agency is in the midst of a campaign of strikes on Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan’s tribal frontier.
The most recent CIA strike came Tuesday, reportedly killing eight people in the South Waziristan region of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas Since August, the agency has carried out at least 55 strikes, compared with 10 reported attacks in 2006 and 2007 combined.

Despite Pakistan’s frequent complaints about the strikes, U.S. officials have said the missions are authorized by the Pakistani government. CIA officials credit Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, with providing on-the-ground information that often leads to Predator strikes. In turn, the CIA has shared sensitive imagery and intercepts with Pakistani counterparts."
http://sudhan.wordpress.com/2009/05/...ions-together/

PLUS, we don't know in advance of a strike and neither does the Congress----which is our point about ANY CIA covert operation. They know there is a Predator Drone CIA operation---just as they knew 8 years ago that Pres. Bush had directed the CIA to come up with ways to kill top al Qaeda leaders. They just don't know all the details and specifics. And that's the way it should be and always has been. For the Umpteenth time.....HAD THAT PROGRAM EVER MATERIALIZED into something they could act on, the Congress would have been informed that it was operational.

BTW, look for this news story to just fade away.....as the Dem leadership knows it's NOT a winner for them.

JP -

You definitely have an odd definition of " covert ".

When a Predator strike occurs, there is no doubt about it. That is not covert.

Covert is when someone(s) is(are) assassinated and no one knows how it happened or who did it.

Your misrepresentation re: Not knowing the exact moment that each Predator is launched and the designated target is laughable, at best.

Please provide proof of this level of oversight ever demanded by Congress.
I won't be holding my breath because you cannot do so.

Your belief that this story will just fade away is wishful thinking.

We do not even know what the actual program was. All we have been fed is a slew of lies over a widely-known program.
This assassination program was just a cover for the actual, still unknown illegal operation.

jackalope · #**316** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Six-pack

Leon Panetts was the CIA director at the time. He was not informed of the CIA program. But under Cheney's advisement, the CIA did not inform Congress of this CIA program. This was a rogue CIA program that was operating illegally and without over-site.

According to the National Security Act of 1947, Congress must be informed of intelligence programs. There are no "secret kill squads" allowed in a free Nation.

Cheney broke the Law, again.

Apparently, for some people, party matters more than country. We keep having confetti thrown in our face, hoping we will not see what is right there to see. An investigation and/or hearing will commence on this, I think. Regardless of partisan republican attempts to look away.

Ronin Tetsuro · #**317** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dieter Lumpin

We do not even know what the actual program was. All we have been fed is a slew of lies over a widely-known program.
This assassination program was just a cover for the actual, still unknown illegal operation.

My guess? Securing opium crops with taxpayer funded resources.

Dieter Lumpin · #**318** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks

Since everyone knows about them, and the synonym of "covert" is "secret", sure, why not?

As Dieter noted some pages back in Post 208, I can't see Panetta being all that concerned about some type of allegedly secret assassination plan. Given our history, including recent, that's simply not all that big of a deal (despite the legalities). More likely there is another shoe yet to drop.

Or, as the Faux News crowd here seems to be claiming, Panetta simply made it all up

Thanks for the publicity, Sparks.

Unfortunately, most here have swallowed this fable hook, line, and sinker.

Gullible and superficial.

jackalope · #**319** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5

How many times are you all going to post that 1947 act? It has nothing to do with this. Here's what has to do with this:

"In response to the terrorist attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001,the Congress passed legislation, S.J.Res. 23, on September 14, 2001, authorizing the President to “use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons....” The President signed this legislation into law on September 18, 2001 (P.L. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224 (2001)). This report provides a legislative history of this statute, the “Authorization for Use of Military Force” (AUMF), which, as Congress stated in its text, constitutes the legislative authorization for the use of U.S. military force contemplated by the War Powers Resolution. It also is the statute which the President and his attorneys have subsequently cited as an authority for him to engage in electronic surveillance against possible terrorists without obtaining authorization of the special Court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978, asamended."
http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...7_01042006.pdf

Wrong. Actually, that has nothing to do with it. Everyone knows we are authorized to capture/kill Al-Qaeda on the battlefield. That is not something Panetta would call an emergency meeting about. It is obfuscation.

Partisan hackery.

Willful ignorance.

One of the three.

jackalope · #**320** (**permalink**) 07-14-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

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Newsweek article ...

...Despite the drama and finger pointing, the details of the program remain largely unknown. The CIA, not surprisingly, is doing its best to keep it that way. Said Spokesman Paul Gimigliano: "The agency has not commented on the substance of the effort, which is still, at this stage, highly classified."

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/206607.

Good article, Atlas, thx for posting. I saw one in the Guardian/UK (maybe on Sunday?) that was speculating that it may have involved assassinations inside the borders of allied countries, which could be part of the problem.

But, as the Newsweek article concludes: the details of this program are largely unknown. And, I agree with the assertions inside the article, that the biggest concern is the question of illegality surrounding Cheney's role and non-informing of Congress.

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