Doesn't this situation resemble Vietnam to you? Polls show that only 7% of Iraqis who have an unfavorable opinion of the US military, came to that opinion due to their own personal experiences. You have to realize that they are getting this from somewhere else. You know very well some of them are listening to our own Senators.

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Order without liberty and liberty without order are equally destructive. - Theodore Roosevelt

Very well put...Thankyou for posting that

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Oh the DeadHead avatar is there because I like their Music, not because I'm a hippy

To say it’s better to loose American lives there than here makes no sense.

Our soldiers in Iraq are ALSO Americans, and their lives are every bit as precious as American lives here at home. They have parents, spouses, sons and daughters who grieve for the loss of their lives every bit as much as family members grieved for the loss of those who died in 9/11.

The administration refused to recognize the possibility of a terrorist backed insurgency. The only reason the terrorists are IN Iraq in such numbers was because we gave them the opening to do so. Even though Saddam was a monster, there were not 10,000 terrorists/insurgents in Iraq when he was in power. The fact is, our military presence in Iraq gave terrorists the CONVENIENT opportunity to attack American soldiers on Middle East soil as well as to stir up Sunni anger and resentment.



They also don’t like the fact that we overthrew the Iranian government and put in the Shaw of Iran. They also don’t like that we backed Saddam with weapons, encouragement, and reconnaissance during the Iran/Iraq war. They also don’t like that we support the Saudi Kingdom because they provide cheap oil. And getting back to the subject of Saddam, the CIA encouraged the Bath party (the party that Saddam, belonged to) when it formed a coup against the Iraqi regime that had been in power. There are many reasons for them to dislike us (including our support of Israel), whether their reasons are right or wrong it’s not simply our culture they hate us for.





I have to go back to this quote. There are an estimated 10,000 terrorists/ insurgents in Iraq. This statement seems to suggest that if we weren’t fighting them in Iraq they’d all be HERE, in the U.S. Terrorist’s attack other countries in small groups. It only took 19 terrorists to attack the WTC. They could easily spare a small band of terrorists to come into this country if they wanted to. It’s not because we are fighting terrorists in Iraq that they choose NOT to come here. It’s because WE sent soldiers to Iraq that they chose to go to Iraq. They found us to be an easy convenient target. Also the terrorists infiltrated Iraq because WE provided them with the grist to stir up more resentment and hatred against the U.S. We are their number one recruitment tool.




Democracy in America has its risks. And it’s important to speak out when a government lies and indicates it has misguided policies. But being told to SHUTUP, which destroys every American’s, right to freedom of speech is absolutely not Democracy. Telling people to SHUT UP is something Saddam Huesein practiced. How ironic.

This is the most tragic statement of all. You’ve already told us that they hate us because they don’t like our culture. Is shutting up going to make them like our culture more?. Is it because we didn’t SHUT UP that they killed 3000 of us tin WTC? Is it because we didn’t SHUT UP that that thousands of terrorist/insurgents emerged in Iraq to kill U.S soldiers.?

Lies? Where did our government lie to us? Is that one of those things you think if you say over and over again people will start to beleive?

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Oh the DeadHead avatar is there because I like their Music, not because I'm a hippy

So.....you would rather have the battlefield here? Now....that makes no sense.

No Duh? Thanks for the little lesson....but you're preaching to the choir, my dear.

Well, the Sunni's have agreed to participate in the new government....so you may be in for a huge disappointment.



Sounds like you tend to agree with their concerns. So what are you saying....that if we'd just stay home; not buy their oil; and not do business with any Arab nations all would be okay? The Islamic extremists would like us then???? Oh yeah....I forgot the biggest thing: we'd have to give up our support for and friendship with those terrible Jews.





Didn't say it couldn't happen somewhere else. Nor did I claim they are all over there in Iraq. But a lot have traveled to Iraq to fight against the "crusaders." If they are busy there.....they aren't available to plan something else. The heavies.....bin Laden, zawahiri, and al Zarqawi all seem to be pretty involved in the Iraq fight. Again.....NOT to say they don't have cells here; I'm sure they do. That's why we fight this war on many fronts.


First of all, I'm not the leader. I'm but a mere citizen. And one who is (*)(*)(*)(*)ed tired of the liberals and Democrats in this country who are playing politics with this war. In your effort to hurt this president.....you are hurting our country.

Shutting up will result in NOT giving our enemy ammunition. They seek to end this war by our people losing heart.....by intimidating us....and by winning the PR by making the world believe our military and country is corrupt and evil. If you think they don't pick up quotes from Senator Durbin, Michael Moore and other America-haters, and use their words against our country........you're sadly mistaken. YOU are playing right into their hands!!

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Exactly 12thMan. These terrorists are smart. They know our system. Just as they did in planning their attack on 9/11. They have studied our strengths and weaknesses and they know how to play the game. All they have to do is have their detainees make false claims......depend on the liberal anti-war press to pick it up and repeat it as truth......keep repeating it over and over again.....and they will cause the people to lose heart. They depend on the opposing political party to play politics with the information....and make accusations against the president and the administration. They believe they can and will last longer than Americans in this fight. Too bad certain Americans......including Democrat leaders...... are playing right into their hands.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

If you’re the choir you’re off key and out of tune.



Let me get this straight. The Battlefield meaning the 10,000 terrorists in Iraq would come over here and kill Americans?!!!. So if we hadn’t invaded they would be in my back yard right now. How would they get over here, speedboat? Gondolas?


Sound like you’re sympathetic to the notion of the U.S overthrowing Democratic governments like the one that existed during the 1950s in Iran and replacing them with dictators we can control. Sounds like you enjoyed providing help and support to Saddam Hussein during the 1980’s when he was engaged in war with Iran. We were actually giving him reconnaissance support during the period when he gassed the Kurds. And we complained very little about his genocidal behavior until we decided to invade Iraq. I guess you like cozying up to the Saudis and being dependant on them for oil even as they support the Wahabis religious institutions that preach hatred of all things Western.

….And worse, you called the Jews terrible. Are you prejudiced against them?


I never said to not do business with any Arab nation. You dreamed that up in your fantasies
Actually relying LESS on Middle East oil from despotic regimes is a GREAT idea. Saudi Arabia contributes hundreds of millions for Madrasas and other organizations and institutions that spread hatred of America. But Bush buddies up with Saudi royalty. Hybrid and hydrogen vehicles would make a lot more sense to me. But U.S. auto companies aren’t in any hurry to transition to hybrid vehicles and Bush (with his oil back ground) is in no mood to push them. Instead of drilling for oil in Anwar (which keeps us dependant on fossil fuels and Middle East oil) the national policy should be to provide incentives for fuel-efficient hybrid type vehicles. And this should be done on a large scale and quickly.


OK I get it now. Because you are a “mere citizen” it is OK for you to express irresponsible and anti democratic sentiments. The fact is you have the right to say that people you disagree with should shut up. But your views if put into practice are repressive. My view is people have the right to speak out. Even a lying deceptive president, who backstabs American citizens, has the right to speak out. I just wish he could be tossed out.



You have so little faith and respect in the integrity of the American people. The American people aren’t loosing heart. They’re simply waking up to Bush’s propaganda. They are beginning to see how misguided his policies are. But because the American people are smarter than Bush it appears you don’t like it. .

And as for the rest of the world ,most of world was against this invasion before we invaded. It's true that Bush talks about the coalition of the willing, but that coalition consisted of countries who's populations were against the invastion by majorities. And the coalition partners are steadily dropping out.

It is clear that the government is putting a positive spin on the war. This is not new. The FACT that the Bush Administration has continued the policy of not allowing reporters to take pictures of the coffins coming home is proof that the Administration, like those before it, will do anything it can to stop the war from being real to the public.

I have no doubt that we will defeat the insurgency; the question is how many soldiers will die in the process.

We can't pull out before the job is done. To do so would be a slap in the face to each person who served in this war. If public opinion gets bad enough, it is likely that President Bush will declare victory (again) and pull the troops while telling the world that the job is done. If he does bow to pressure, he will be excoriated by all Americans; the anti-Iraq war will excoriate him for needlessly putting troops in Iraq, and the pro-Iraq war people will excoriate him for failing to finish the job.

Thanks for your kind comments, and I do agree with you that we should continue to protect our soldiers, but we can't protect them by bringing them home. To do so would be a slap in the face to every soldier who served and it would cement our image as a country that cuts and runs when things don't go well. This would open us to future attacks.

I think Rummy looked ridiculous when he told the press that armor was being added as fast as possible and a contractors came forward to, in effect, tell the public that Rummy was out of his own loop; or that is was a liar. We should spend every dollar necessary to give our troops everything they need to be as safe as possible. And I hope that the money we spend is so high that the American people will remember and oppose the next needless war the government proposes.

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"George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut." —Dennis Miller

You don't know that. The arab world has hated the US and the west for a LONG time and not only was an all-out conflict NOT necessary, it is likely that the all-out conflict we have in Iraq will create more hatred than it solves. The illegality of the war and the indifference of the American people shows the world that we are not a nation of laws; our military might is the alter on which the US places its faith.

You don't think that they can fight both there AND here. Remember, that eight years elapsed between the first attack on the WTC and 9.11. It has only been four years since 9.11.

Are you saying that we left the arab world alone prior to 9.11? 9.11 can't be justified, but there are reasons why the middle east and Persia hates the US and the west.

They don't? LOL The people in charge certainly don't, but the younger people who are the ones signing up for jihad DO like our cultural influences. They just hate us for different reasons.

So, I am helping the insurgents and the terrorists? You have got to be kidding. If the government wants people to support it, it has to act in a manner worthy of support. The world was with us after 9.11. We had almost universal support in our fight in Afghanistan. We had unparalleled good will. Bush squandered all of it when he pushed for the Iraq war.

BTW, something I would like to remind you is that when we invaded Iraq, Germany increased its troops in Afghanistan so perhaps we should stop bashing "Old Europe" for their non-support of the illegal and needless Iraq invasion.

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"George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut." —Dennis Miller

JP5, why do you continually imply that the people we're fighting in Iraq have anything to do with the people who carried out the attacks on 9/11?

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