On 9/11, 2,752 people died and insurers paid out claims of $40 billion.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/10/29/wtc.deaths/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loca...1p-15738c.html
http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

So far we have lost 2,154 coalition troops and contractors. (Yes contractor lives also count as deaths)

We have lost 2,405 Iraq police and Military deaths as our allies post the fall of Saddam.

We have 12,855 Wounded US Military personnel.

And there are no figures on how many Iraqi civilians were killed during the war, because George Bush must have decided he didn't care enough to tell people to try and count.

We have spent hundreds of Billions of Dollars in Iraq. I believe it is over $300 Billion

Now Iraq is justified by the Republicans as a response to 9/11. I mean 9/11 is brought up in every conversation about Iraq by the administration right. So although there is no link between 9/11 and Iraq, Iraq is being justified by 9/11. "9/11 changed everything" right.

So considering that we have killed way more innocent Americans and our Allies than were killed on 9/11. And we have spent way more in money than was destroyed on 9/11. (We could have rebuilt over 100 world trade centers for what we have spent)

When does 9/11 become a stupid justification for the war in Iraq. When does it become equivelent to the phrase: "Cut off ones nose to spite ones face".


(Note: 9/11 has always been a stupid justification for the war in Iraq because there have never been any ties between Iraq and 9/11.)

"So considering that we have killed way more innocent Americans..."

Okay, you showed your colors when you let that line slip. The US killed innocent Americans, huh? Is this something you gleamed from Michael Fat-so Moore? Didn't you know, Bush was behind the 9-11 terrorist attack on the WTC as an excuse for going to war in the middle east and rewarding his oil friends with middle east oil? Yeah, just ask Fat-so if you don't believe me.

Give the kool aid a rest, okay?

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we should have pulled a France and surrendered in WWII when our soldiers killed reached the 1,800 or so killed at Pearl Harbor, huh?

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As usual, you just ignore what you can't argue against.

First I said, Americans and our allies and then included civilians too.

So your WWII comparison would have to include all French, German, Polish and English troops and all the Jewish civilians too. So the number would be way more than 1800, maybe a few million.

Second, the reasons given for entering WWII were not lies... Germany was a real threat to the world. Pearl Harbor and the invasion of Europe were real facts, not made up lies like the reasons given for attacking Iraq... But of course the Republicans can see the future so they know that Saddam was going to be a threat in the future. Although republicans can see the future, they can't see the present well enough to have know that Saddam did not have WMD.

Are you just choosing to read the words you want to read?

He said: "we should have pulled a France and surrendered in WWII when our soldiers killed reached the 1,800 or so killed at Pearl Harbor, huh?"

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HUh?

I mention coalition troops, contractors and Iraqi civilians.

Barney comes back with 1,800 Americans only.

I say that is not apples to apples, he would need to cover all the coalition troops and civilians in WWII to make a valid comparison with my point.

Then you say that I am selectively reading because I didn't accept Barneys 1800 number?

Maybe YOU should try reading again.

The reason to enter WWII was not only 1800 deaths in Pearl harbor. It was a risk to the entire freee world.

Now you can argue the reason for invading Iraq was not just the 2752 people killed on 9/11. You can add whatever you want as justification. But none of them hold any water.

Yeah, Bush did kill innocent Americans, barn. And if you had an IQ larger than your shoe size, you would have realized that HD was talking about all of the innocent young Americans who thought they were signing up to defend their country instead of having their lives wasted and their blood spilled in the sand to further Bush's dreams of imperial power and oil.

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What you're saying is we have got 2154 dead on our hands now, so we should stop and pull out...

JPS is saying: Should we have pulled out or surrendered when our causualties reached that same 2154 durning WWII...

You're still choosing what to read and how to interpret it...


So basically should we have stopped fighting in WWII when our causalties reached 2154?

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What on earth does this drivel have to do with anything. Your analogies and your logic(if we can even use that word for it) are so far out in the ozone that they don't make any sense to anyone but you. Get a grip, put down the crack-pipe and go in for rehab.

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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it. " --Noam Chomsky

Why do you always just attack the person posting something when you don't have anything other then personal attacks to add to the discussion? Seriously if you want to have a debate about me, start a thread, don't change my sig to say what you think is funny, or call me names, or make assumptions about me...

I'll have you know I went to more then 150 Grateful Dead Shows, and I own on DAT/CD/DVD over 1,000 shows, I also have plenty of Dead Head friends that woke up to the reality of this world and how things work, and nolonger live in a world of what if and how nice it would be it...


Read the Forum rules about personal attacks before you make your next post or I will be forced to report you to a moderator..

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