http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062301727.html

Thought I'd post this first before the libs do. Oh boo-hoo-hoo! Rove is such a meany! He should apologize for being a meany!

"Democrats accused Rove, President Bush's top political strategist, of impugning their patriotism, misrepresenting the support they gave Bush after terrorists hit the United States and demeaning the memories of victims. Republicans accused Democrats of overreacting to what they said were accurate characterizations of reactions among some liberals and of having defended slanderous statements against the U.S. military.

In his speech, Rove said no issue better illustrated the philosophical difference between liberals and conservatives than national security. "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war," he said in a prepared text released by the White House. "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."
Rove went on to say that conservatives wanted to "unleash the might and power" of the military against the Taliban in Afghanistan, while liberals wanted to submit petitions. He cited a petition he said was backed by MoveOn.org that called for "moderation and restraint" in responding to the attacks.

"It is outrageous," he said, "that the same Democratic leaders who refused to repudiate or criticize Dick Durbin's slandering of our military are now attacking Karl Rove for stating the facts. . . . Karl didn't say the Democratic Party. He said liberals."

But demos know who they are, don't they?

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

Another disengenuous call from the Democrat leadership. You are correct: had they listened......really heard....what Rove was saying....he was talking about the different philosophies in general. The liberal versus conservative philosophy of how to address such issues as terrorism. And that is a perfectly legitimate point for discussion and debate. And I don't think there is ANYONE on this board even.....who would argue against that being the case: in general between the two philosophies. In fact, some libs on this board have argued that 9/11 was OUR fault...blamed Pres. Bush (although not Pres. Clinton)......and talked about how if only we would look for ways to make them "like" us....they might leave us alone. Some of the most liberal, in fact, are trying to turn the monument at the 9/11 space into a memorial about how it was our fault and we are to blame for what happened there. These are very different ideas from the general views of a conservative who would argue that 9/11 was the fault of the terrorist and their views of intolerance...and that the way to combat this "jihad" that has been declared on us.... is to "go on the offensive."

Unlike Sen Durbin....who actually compared "Americans" to Nazi's, Pol Pot, and Soviets with their Gulags.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Oh, c'mon you two. His statement was a gross overgeneralization and highly inflammatory.

He said this: "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

That would be like a liberal saying "Conservatives saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and saw an opportunity to make themselves rich, implement a police state and settle scores with a country that had nothing to do with the attack."

The first thing to note is that "some liberals" is not "all liberals" or even "most liberals". But the "offer therapy" comment, in particular, was totally out of line.

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Man up.

right-wing American haters spewing their filth. I don't want him to apologize. But lets not pretend it is anything other than what it is, pure political rhetoric, untrue and mean spirited. It all boils down to trying to create propaganda to tarnish other americans for their beliefs by mis-representing them. The American haters are out in full force. Don't agree with me? You're a traitor. Think we bungled all the support we had from 9/11 by taking our eye of the ball (bin laden) and invading iraq? You're a crazy liberal helping terrorists. It's all complete b.s. But, we can't expect right wing American haters to actually use their brains. They are too busy reciting the daily drivel.

I appreciate the Democrats for standing up and defending the millions of Americans who were denigrated and misrepresented by Rove. Anyone who values our principle of debate and dissent should be applauding this. Would you rather see people just suck up that insult and become afraid to speak out?

Just like Senator Durbin... I do not agree with Herr KKKarl but I do agree with his right to stick his foot in his mouth.

People forget that many, almost all actually, Democratic Senators did vote to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

People forget that Joe Liebermann and Bob Kerry are HAWKS and liberals. People forget that there are many democratic war heroes... We, myself included - though mine was for humor, denigrate people like Max Cleeland.

BTW, what do you call Max Cleeland outside your front door? MAT Cleeland!!

-or-

What do you call Max Cleeland in the water? BOB Cleeland!!!!


Anyway, let KKKarl speak... the people in the middle think he is wrong, the people on the left think he is evil, some on the right like him.

Most of the American sleepers have no clue who Herr KKKarl is.


Personally, I like his Machiavellian style.

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I was banned from godlike productions(over 400 times)... and loved it.

"I haven't made you angry, have I?" -Malcolm Reynolds

"Oh, c'mon you two. His statement was a gross overgeneralization and highly inflammatory."

No, it was a direct quote from the Move on web page.

It is good seeing Hillbillary forgetting she is suppose to be disguising herself as a moderate and identifying herself as a liberal by attacking Rove. Again, Rove did not mention or identify demos--he said liberals. So if you're not a liberal, his words don't apply to you.

Hillbillary refused comment on Turban Durbin comparing US military to Nazis.

I love watching demos coming more and more unglued. Their rage and hatred for Bush is truly amusing and entertaining. Have you noticed how a demo Senator is unable to make a speech lately without crying?

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

who was protesting restraint, right after 911? Did they want to treat 911 the same as the first World Trade Center bombing? Yea, lets lock up Bin Lauden
in an American jail and throw away the key. That was the problem, we never followed up with the first Trade Center bombing, re: Slick Willy.

I assume you're joking, so I won't hold my breath waiting for the link showing where MoveOn suggested therapy for terrorists.

Even if there WERE such a statement from MoveOn, they hardly represent most liberals. Does Pat Robertson represent most conservatives? Or most evangelicals? How about Pat Buchanan?

I actually have come to respect Rove, because he's generally far more careful with his words. This seems like an uncharacteristic slip for him.

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Man up.

"Even if there WERE such a statement from MoveOn..."

There was. You obviously did not read the article in the link, did you? Rove used this liberal web site as an illustartion of how liberals responded to 9-11. Nothing wrong with that; simply stating how liberals have one view of 9-11 and conservatives another.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill