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Old 04-29-2004, 04:06 AM
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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/liv...sh_presidency/

More than 40% of Americans identify themselves as Evangelicals. Combine that with the Gallup poll where 85% of Americans stated they believe in God and I think you have a pretty good answer as to why there are so many anti-Christian feelings against Bush. It's that 15% who feel left out.

For those who question Bush's Christianity it sounds like PBS will have a documentary which shows otherwise.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:26 AM
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More than 40% of Americans identify themselves as Evangelicals. Combine that with the Gallup poll where 85% of Americans stated they believe in God and I think you have a pretty good answer as to why there are so many anti-Christian feelings against Bush. It's that 15% who feel left out.

For those who question Bush's Christianity it sounds like PBS will have a documentary which shows otherwise.
It's that old "double standard" rearing it's ugly had again. Many on here probably weren't old enough or weren't born yet when JFK became president. But I remember all the talk was about the FIRST Catholic to become president, especially a Catholic of such strong faith....and all that would mean. Unlike his brother Teddy, I imagined JFK turned over in his grave when this country approved and accepted Roe v Wade. I doubt very seriously if he would have ever supported it. His faith was strong and when you read some of his speeches you might think you were reading a speach of George W. Bush. And I don't recall ONE Democrat....NOT ONE.....that had a problem with it either.
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Old 04-29-2004, 08:19 AM
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I kind of use Jimmy Carter as a comparison when I look at Bush. Carter was a pretty mediocre president, but he is quite the diplomat and a Born Again. I see Carter as reserved, unselfish, and truly interested in his fellow human, characteristics espoused by Christ.

But with Bush, I sense something different. I sense him being filled with power, feeling as if he is the instrument of God. If true, then in my opinion he is very dangerous. People who believe God is giving them intrinsic power are fine -- when they are in places where they cannot hurt themselves or others. But someone who believes that God is directing them and who have the power to blow up most of the earth, well that’s an entirely different matter.

When I made that post about Bush demonstrating his Christianity, it was to see what people thought about what Bush has DONE (behavior), not what he has said. Most importantly, is he reading what Christ said? I am very interested in WHAT parts of the Bible he reads, more than the fact that he reads the Bible. Jesus Christ taught tolerance, forgiveness, non-violence, charity, non-judgment, altruism and self-restraint. These were the trademarks of Christ. Are they the trademarks of President Bush?

Bush has done a few things that are admirable; the policy on AIDS I think is a good example. But when I look at Bush’s behavior overall, it doesn’t give me a good feeling. He seems very tied to special interest, very interested in non-Christ-like solutions to perceived problems and an unwillingness to admit when mistakes are made. This is my view of the man, I know you disagree, but I am letting you know where I’m coming from.

I am not enamored with Kerry’s relationship with Christ either, in case you’re wondering. But it doesn’t bother me in the same way. I cannot visualize Kerry standing in front of the button saying, “God has placed me in this position for a reason,” as he presses the button that blows a Middle East country off the globe. I CAN visualize Bush doing that.

There are many born again zealots who believe that failure to give your life to Christ is an automatic ticket to hell, that the Muslims are the devil’s work and that they need to be brought to Christ, even if it kills them. While Bush might not BE one of those outwardly, the Born Again zealots are a part of his constituent base and he reacts to what they believe (example: constitutional amendment about marriage, aka ban on gay marriage). I have to wonder just how far Bush would go to keep his dollars happy.
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40% define themselves as Evangelical and a staggering 95% define themselves as religious!

Meanwhile, in countries like France and Germany, where sects are not even legal, roughly 12% of the population considers itself religious.

What happened to America?

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I guess we'll just have to muddle through somehow.
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Laundry Label Calling President an 'Idiot' a Hit
Thu Apr 29, 8:34 AM ET
SEATTLE (Reuters) - Insulting a president can be profitable, a Washington state bag maker has discovered, but it is best if the insult is written in French and tucked away on a tiny laundry label.

Labels on most of the backpacks, messenger and laptop bags made and sold by Tom Bihn have his company's contact information along with washing instructions in English and French along with a message reading: "Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n'avons pas vote pour lui."
The translation reads: "We are sorry that our president is an idiot. We did not vote for him."
Tom Bihn, who designs and makes bags for his eponymous company of 10 employees in Port Angeles, a seaside city 60 miles northwest of Seattle, claims he has no idea how the phrase got onto the label, but credits it with doubling bag sales.
"We don't know how it got there," Bihn said in a dead-pan manner.
Asked if the message refers to President Bush or French President Jacques Chirac, Bihn said he had no clue whom the insult referred to.
"I'm going with the idea that it refers to me, the president of the company," Bihn said, "I do have to say it seems to have struck a chord. A lot of people seem to think that it refers to another president."

The popularity of the bags and interest in the label has also spawned a new product from the company, T-shirts featuring an enlarged version of the label on the front. Profits from these T-shirts are being donated to the Seattle Veterans Center, Bihn said. (ooooooh - - brutal sarcasm!!! - LOVE IT!!)
The company's products are available at its Web site, www.tombihn.com, its outlet in Port Angeles and its retail store in Seattle.





Some of us who travel overseas have found ourselves in the position of having to say what the label says - - it will be easier to just wear the T-shirt.
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I think what you meant to say is people who travel overseas AND have an inferiority complex. You feel inferior to those who understand the issues (as you should...honey). Since you find it so difficult to debate what's posted and your typical response is to throw in something totally off the subject I can only assume complete idiocy or feelings of inferiority...which is it? Honey.
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