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Are you even familiar with the law? Do you even know what all has to be fact before someone has broken that law?
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and she was undercover then a crime was committed, saying "his wife" does not get him off in my opinion. The crime is a crime for good reason. With that said, I haven't seen any evidence that he knew she was undercover or even was undercover at the time, but IF a crime was committed he should be charged just like any other citizen would.
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and she was undercover then a crime was committed, saying "his wife" does not get him off in my opinion. The crime is a crime for good reason. With that said, I haven't seen any evidence that he knew she was undercover or even was undercover at the time, but IF a crime was committed he should be charged just like any other citizen would.
..and to add, if he did NOT know she was undercover, how did he find out that Joe Wilson's wife was a CIA Operative? Is there a "deeper leak"? Maybe even from within the CIA?

I have not seen the CIA deny that she was UNDERCOVER. Yet there are people insisting she was an analyst..as if that makes it ok.

Its possible that what Fitzgerald may be pursuing here is not so much the "leak"..but maybe perjury before the Grand Jury..something that our 42nd President did..
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"Are you even familiar with the law? Do you even know what all has to be fact before someone has broken that law? "

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and she was undercover then a crime was committed, saying "his wife" does not get him off in my opinion. The crime is a crime for good reason. With that said, I haven't seen any evidence that he knew she was undercover or even was undercover at the time, but IF a crime was committed he should be charged just like any other citizen would.
..and to add, if he did NOT know she was undercover, how did he find out that Joe Wilson's wife was a CIA Operative? Is there a "deeper leak"? Maybe even from within the CIA?

I have not seen the CIA deny that she was UNDERCOVER. Yet there are people insisting she was an analyst..as if that makes it ok.

Its possible that what Fitzgerald may be pursuing here is not so much the "leak"..but maybe perjury before the Grand Jury..something that our 42nd President did..
I think perjury might be the main target. Rove seems to smart to leak this knowing it was a crime. But if he did I don't support perjury or putting the lives of government employees in danger no matter what party they belong to.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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The press wasn't taking "brush off" for an answer from the White House over the Plame affair:
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It's good to see reporters show some backbone. Too bad it's over something that ultimately is a sideshow.
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i have noticed that in big politics, the president seems to get what he wants if congress is on his side even if it allows criminals to go free. the three branch government doesn't seem too balanced these days.
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Here's the text of the 1982 Intelligence Protections Act for those of you who don't know what's in it:

TITLE 50--WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE

CHAPTER 15--NATIONAL SECURITY

SUBCHAPTER IV--PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION
Sec. 421. Protection of identities of certain United States
undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and
sources
(a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to
classified information that identifies covert agent
Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any
information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined
not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert
agents as result of having access to classified information
Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified
information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally
discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any
individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing
that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that
the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined
not more than $25,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of
activities intended to identify and expose covert agents
Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to
identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such
activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of
the United States, discloses any information that identifies an
individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive
classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so
identifies such individual and that the United States is taking
affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified
intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined not more
than $15,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(July 26, 1947, ch. 343, title VI, Sec. 601, as added June 23, 1982,
Pub. L. 97-200, Sec. 2(a), 96 Stat. 122.)

http://foi.missouri.edu/bushinfopoli...rotection.html

As I've been saying.....#1) she has to be covert, #2) the person disclosing has to have access to Classified information, #3) the person disclosing must know the agent is covert and that the U.S. is taking steps to conceal the agent's identity, #4)the person disclosing must INTENTIONALLY pass on the information anyway (knowing all this).


If all Rove did was say that Wilson had a wife who worked at the CIA who may have sent him on that Niger mission.........and if he heard it from someone else and not directly from classified info that said she was covert and undercover......that is NOT breaking any law. Considering Wilson himself had told friends and acquaintances that his wife worked in the government.


"Motive is crucial under the controlling statute.

The 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act was written in the wake of the Philip Agee scandal to protect the CIA from deliberate subversion, not to protect the identities of agents and their spouses who choose to enter into a national political debate. In short, the entire leak probe now looks like a familiar Beltway case of criminalizing political differences. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald should fold up his tent.

Number two: Joe Wilson didn't tell the truth about how he supposedly came to realize that it was "highly doubtful" there was anything to the story he'd been sent to Niger to investigate. He told everyone that he'd recognized as obvious forgeries the documents purporting to show an Iraq-Niger uranium deal. But the forged documents to which he referred didn't reach U.S. intelligence until eight months after his trip. Mr. Wilson has said that he "misspoke" -- multiple times, apparently -- on this issue.

Number three: Joe Wilson was also not telling the truth when he said that his final report to the CIA had "debunked" the Niger story. The Senate Intelligence report -- again, the bipartisan portion of it -- says Mr. Wilson's debrief was interpreted as providing "some confirmation of foreign government service reporting" that Iraq had sought uranium in Niger. That's because Niger's former Prime Minister had told Mr. Wilson he interpreted a 1999 visit from an Iraqi trade delegation as showing an interest in uranium."

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/6361.html

Joseph Wilson is a proven liar.
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